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Title: bathrooms
Post by mikespeed on Apr 18^th, 2004, 9:00pm

i am altering my upper floors, can i have my loft bedroom stairs lead straight into a bathroom?
sort of an on-suite?
ty

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by HandyMac on Apr 18^th, 2004, 9:34pm

Loft stairs, not loft ladder? Loft ladder should be okay if you are just storing the odd stuff up there.

If stairs then it suggests you are making the loft area into a habitable place where you will spend time (like a loft conversion). If so then I think you are going to need planning permission, and your questions will get answered by the BCO assigned to the job.

I wouldn't think it would be desirable to have stairs coming down into a bathroom, even if it is legit. If someone was up in the loft and came down they might find someone sat on the loo (or worse...). Not very good for privacy!

Andrew

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by thescruff on Apr 18^th, 2004, 9:38pm

If it was en-suite theres no different to being on the same floor.

Still need permission though.

plumb

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by big_all on Apr 18^th, 2004, 9:40pm

dont foget youll probbably need a floating floor
unless your joists �are approaching 8x2 inch

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by thescruff on Apr 18^th, 2004, 9:43pm

I had the impression the bedroom was allready there.

plum b

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by HandyMac on Apr 18^th, 2004, 9:45pm

You could be right about that. I just noticed the plural "floors" in the original.

However, if it is a staircase then it might be iffy to bring it down into a bathroom because the staircase would be a fire escape, and the bathroom door could potentially be a barricade. Can't see the BCO being happy about that.

Andrew

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by big_all on Apr 18^th, 2004, 9:46pm

hard to tell it might be without building permision

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by big_all on Apr 18^th, 2004, 9:48pm

does your attic floor comply with building regs
mikespeed

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by splinter on Apr 18^th, 2004, 10:03pm

looked at this one a couple of times. read handymacs repl(3rd paragraph )
got a picture of alittle senario likethat happening
now ive got a fit of the giggles
maybe m/speed wiil give us a bit more detail ;D

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by Building_Control on Apr 18^th, 2004, 11:30pm

I cant see a problem with a bedroom being served though an ensuite, its odd but so what?

you do have Building Regs?

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by HandyMac on Apr 18^th, 2004, 11:36pm

wrote on Apr 18^th, 2004, 11:30pm:

I cant see a problem with a bedroom being served though an ensuite, its odd but so what?

We don't know enough about the installation to be sure, however I would have thought that if the staircase came down in a room with a door on it then it might break fire regulations - because in a smoke filled building you might have difficulty finding the door knob (or the door might be locked?).

A staircase is a means of escape in a fire situation, so putting physical roadblocks in the way must surely raise some eyebrows?

Andrew

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by splinter on Apr 19^th, 2004, 3:33pm

if you was having aloft conversion done covered by building &fire regs youre stairs would have to exit on to a landing as you are effectively creating another storey to youre house you have to have a fire break between the new storey and the landing .
legally there isnt nothing to stop you putting a fixed staicase into youre bathroom while you are living there(without building regs)BUT,youre loft conversion cant be counted as living space .this will become apparent if sell youre house.
this is when the building&fire regs will "kickin". then you would have to rip out the staircase &put back the ceiling to its original state.ps god forbid .but if ever had to make a claim against youre insurance for fire you would find it null &void.

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by mike speed on Apr 19^th, 2004, 9:20pm

wow, to much to take in here
regs are availible, but we need to plan layout.
this is a mid terrage property.
the attic joists are 3x2 which i intent to double up, new stairs will be fitted straight down to the bathroom (no door)
a door from the said bathroom will then lead to the next room (kitchen)
first floor joists are 7 x 2.5, part new.

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by HandyMac on Apr 19^th, 2004, 9:45pm

A bathroom with no door? Hell, I hope you get on with your friends when they come round and need to take a leak ;)

Andrew

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by mikespeed on Apr 19^th, 2004, 9:58pm

okay...
the door that is not there leads to the stair up to the loft.
there is a door to the rest of the house (lockable)
the wc in the bathroom also has it's own door.
plus, we are all friends here............

this is going to be difficult one this one, i can see it...

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by HandyMac on Apr 19^th, 2004, 10:00pm

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2004, 9:58pm:

this is going to be difficult one this one, i can see it...

Have no fear, help is at hand.....don't forget that a problem shared is a lot of people totally confused! ;)

Andrew

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by big_all on Apr 19^th, 2004, 10:53pm

im confused

dont we need a fire door for additional floor!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: bathrooms
Post by mikespeed on Apr 20^th, 2004, 8:53pm

hi confused all

i dont remember seeing a fire door on the plans, if need be then we will have one.

any questions anyone?