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Sep 20th, 2004, 6:52pm
 
can any one help with this one?
do you need 2391 to get registered and pass the part p domestic installers scheme, or will they help you through it, say i went with niceic?

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Re: part p
Reply #1 - Sep 20th, 2004, 8:18pm
 
My understanding is that you need 2381 and 2391 prior to being accepted by the gestapo. Best to check their web site for the actual details though.

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Re: part p
Reply #2 - Sep 20th, 2004, 8:53pm
 
Hello Spot

The NICEIC will require you or other responsible person to have 2381 and 2391 and also some other main form of certificate e.g. NVQ or C&G Electrical installation, or apreticeship equivalent

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Reply #3 - Sep 20th, 2004, 10:06pm
 
I was told that only the 2381 was needed and the ability to show that your competent to test not nessascarily the 2391
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Re: part p
Reply #4 - Sep 20th, 2004, 10:22pm
 
Intresting Tellondon, I found all this ages ago from a requirements listing, partp.co.uk gives a better list tho actualy, and allows for similar positions with qualifications onc/nvq/scq/C&G etc

I would think the 2391 is most important to them, being self certification and having to test all your work, before 238 was overlooked if person had trained to 16th regulations in the course's
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Re: part p
Reply #5 - Sep 22nd, 2004, 4:45pm
 
NIC only want 2381.

partp.co.uk is a site for one of the other organisations which will be running a scheme - not sure which, but its not the NIC. No mention of 2391 requirement on NIC site, nor has anyone mentioned it who is already a member.

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Re: part p
Reply #6 - Sep 22nd, 2004, 7:20pm
 
thanks TT

i have looked at the NIC site and there is no requirement for 2391 but you must show the ability to be able to test and inspect and hold all the correct test gear.
i suppose if you hold 2391 then its a bonus!!

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Re: part p
Reply #7 - Sep 22nd, 2004, 9:12pm
 
[quote author=The_Trician  link=1095702771/0#5 date=1095867930]NIC only want 2381.

partp.co.uk is a site for one of the other organisations which will be running a scheme - not sure which, but its not the NIC. No mention of 2391 requirement on NIC site, nor has anyone mentioned it who is already a member.

TT [/quote]
Well thats strange TT, How this can be when the idea of self certification is testing your own work, 2391 should be the first thing they want.

partp.co.uk is run by BRE certification.

as I say, it's silly imo that 2391 is not more important if they want everything to be above board.
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Reply #8 - Sep 22nd, 2004, 9:16pm
 
Basically any joe soap can do a ten week part time course or 2 days in a private college and become part P approved, makes a mockary of doing a 3/4 year apprenticeship
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Re: part p
Reply #9 - Sep 22nd, 2004, 10:16pm
 
Still disagree with the idea of one part time course is enough, there must be a requirements list somewhere which states what is required, I came across is before but like everything NIC, it's not always so upfront!
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Reply #10 - Sep 22nd, 2004, 11:49pm
 
http://www.niceic.org.uk/partp/partprequire.html

These are the requirements of the NICEIC scheme,i presume the others are very similar
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Re: part p
Reply #11 - Sep 23rd, 2004, 12:18am
 
So I see, they have changed there requirements again  Angry
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Reply #12 - Sep 23rd, 2004, 12:52am
 
Those who like me have projects which are likely to fall under part P may be interested in cutting and pasting the site below.   You will need Adobe Acrobat.

http://www.odpm.gov.uk/stellent/groups/odpm_buildreg/documents/page/odpm_breg_03...


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Re: part p
Reply #13 - Sep 23rd, 2004, 1:17am
 
Hey John

What types of work do you undertake?

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Reply #14 - Sep 23rd, 2004, 11:41am
 
I am doing a refurbishment at the moment.  I will also be erecting a kitchen and garage which will come under part P as foundations will not be dug by January.  

I was originally going to wire the extension myself and then get it professionally hooked up and the whole house installation checked, but now, if I have understood part  P correctly, I will have to get the extension professionally rewired and the rest checked out at the same time or else do the work myself and pay to have the electrical work to the extension inspected by Building Control or their agent.

I may see if any of my electrican friends will let me string the cables and then charge to fit sockets etc., hook up, provide an installation certificate and check out and certify the rest of the house. This might keep the cost down a little.  

Evry time I think I understand Building Regs the goalposts move a little further away. However, I can't argue with the fact that electrical installations should be safe, and I have seen some horrible work in the past - not all of it done by amateurs like myself.................

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Reply #15 - Sep 23rd, 2004, 6:08pm
 
Ive just applied to become an approved contractor with the NICEIC, it doesnt require me to have the 2381 certificate as long as i passed my 2360 part 2 since 1992, as ive always thought the 2381 certificate is also called the 16th edition exam, it is really to explain and understand the 16th edition regs and to bring people who done there apprenticeship under a previous set of regs up to date
Perhaps you was looking at the requirements  to become an approved contractor LS ? You definately need the 2391 exam as a requirement then
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Re: part p
Reply #16 - Sep 23rd, 2004, 9:12pm
 
Yeah, Im following the same thing with the 16th also in that it is for people to learn about the regulations and how we applicate them, but obviusly 2360 runs along 16th eddition standards, im taking on 16th eddition as an extra altho I learnt to 16th edditon, this is because some companys ask for it regardless of the fact you learnt to it  Roll Eyes

good luck with NIC tellondon, hopefully all will go smoothly enough.
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