This is in response to John Davies post in particular.

I am going to stick my neck out here  

I have in front of me the actual approved document on Part P of the building regs so I believe I am equipped to answer the query better than most "off-the-cuff" heard this read that type comments that fill the forum!

If you want to build your own extension you have to work to the building regs right? So are you a builder? Are you notifying the building control of your building?
Point here is this. I cannot see anything in the ACTUAL APPROVED DOCUMENT that says you have to be a fully qualified or fully certified electrician to carry out this kind of work.  If you know what you are doing and you get your work tested and inspected by a qualified electrician AND you notify the building control of your works in accordance with building regs then I see no problem with your plans to do it yourself.  All you would do is add another inspection requirement to your list of things to do and ensure you get your work inspected and tested to BS7671 in order to comply with Part P. Dont listen to all the crap that is being banded about by people who have never bothered reading the stuff and just go by what they hear etc. Take it from me mate just go ahead and do it.

First step. If you carry out your building work AFTER 1 Jan 2005 then part P will be in force. Notify building control inspector that you are carrying out electrical work (just as you would notify them of the building work) and send appropriate fee. (This I expect will be available from each of the LA's at the appropriate time).
Second step. Get an electrician lined up to test and inspect your work.
Step 3. Install your wiring as the building work progresses in the usual manner.
Step 4. Act on any comments issued to you (if any) from the building inspector.
Step 5. Get the BS7671 Test and inspection certificate.
Thats it!

That will IMHO comply fully with Part P and so long as building control okay it then you are home and dry. You wont be breaking the law, you wont need to be part of any schemes and you wont be infringing the building regs.

Let the comments begin....

Roy  

Unphased,

You are mostly correct with your steps, however
a) building control will inspect the work (probably by asking their local NAPIT or NICEIC member to inspect on their behalf).
b) you have to give the appropriate notice at each stage.  ISTR it is 48 hours notice before stage 1 and 24 hours notice for the inspections.
c) you have to invite building control to inspect the work once before it is covered up and again just before the installation is put into service.


[quote author=The_Trician  link=1095702771/15#18 date=1096062889]
Hi Roy,
I'll be the first to hold my hand up and admit that I have not FULLY read the ODPM document, but from those who are punting the schemes the emphasis is on the fact that if, for example, you are adding an extra circuit, and you are not a registered/approved/self certifier, the you ARE, or WILL BE breaking the law post Jan 05.

Now, is this correct or incorrect?
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Yes, all the scheme provides really are misleading us.  The part of the approved document that is relevant here is section 0.7 and 0.8.  Either the building control must be notified as unphased outlined (section 0.7) OR the person is registered with an approved scheme (section 0.8a), OR the work is non-notifiable (section 0.8b)

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No, see above.

How about the scenario where a non-registered spark carries out a complete rewire for example, and tells the client that the only time they'll need a cert is when they sell the property, which could be years on in the future.

Come selling time, all the client has to do is get a PIR done on the property to complete the supposedly forthcoming 'House-seller's pack'. and Building Control are non the wiser. The trick is to make sure the installation fully complies when its done, leaving just a PIR and no remedial work. All 3 parties 'win'.

Seller has a cert to say all is well, non-registered sparks has earnt a few bob, and the registered sparks gets a cut for the PIR. Everyone's happy and Building Control have had an extra burden taken off their shoulders.

And best of all -Tony Bliar's mob have been left out in the cold!

Job sorted!

TT

[quote author=The_Trician  link=1095702771/15#21 date=1096104937]How about the scenario where a non-registered spark carries out a complete rewire for example, and tells the client that the only time they'll need a cert is when they sell the property, which could be years on in the future.
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I'm sure there are lots of ways for the cowboys to evade Part P, Trician, just like there are ways for them evade VAT.  It will be interesting to see what happens with the proposed warranty schemes.

I would expect to see text that says that the warranty is only valid when an electrical installation or minor works certificate has been issued.  So customers will get to choose between a cowboy without a warranty and a professional tradesperson with a warranty (and probably higher prices).

What I really can't understand is why none of the other schemes have undercut NICEICs prices.

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'New law spells end to DIY electrics and cowboy electricians'


CLANG
LMFAO

[quote author=unphased  link=1095702771/15#22 date=1096108349]
It doesn't mean that the DIY'er will be branded a criminal and all the rest of it.  The work would simply have to be brought up to a standard that building control will accept.
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To clarify, while in this scenario (notifying building control properly, but then performing sub-standard work), building control will likely give you every opportunity to bring the work up to scratch, two things should be noted:

a)  telling building control but not filling in their forms and/or not paying the fee is considered as failure to notify.

b)  There are serious financial penalties for failure to notify building control, including a £5000 fine for each occurence (complete failure to notify building control would be considered three offences, so, that is £15000 for each "job"). There are ongoing fines, too.  If I understand it correctly, the offence is known by the snappy title "An offence under the Building Act 1984 (as ammended)".  

While the requirement to notify building control for electrical work is new, the actual building control notification process remains the same - it will simply apply to include electrical work as well as windows, doors, RSJs, etc - so you can read about the generic rules and fines on your local building control website right now.

Am i reading ths right:- As long as the BCO is informed for certain electrical works (and the obligitory fee paid ) then this will comply with part p.
Question:- How does the inspector know?Is he/she a qualified person?Or am i totally missing the point here?

[quote author=trowelhead  link=1095702771/15#29 date=1096145816]Am i reading ths right:- As long as the BCO is informed for certain electrical works (and the obligitory fee paid ) then this will comply with part p.
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Yes, as long as you notify them as described earlier in this thread and as long as you are able to show that you have met the requirements of Part P (essentially, to adhere to BS7671), including suitable inspection and testing prior to being put into service.

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The funny thing is that building control don't yet know how they will be running their side of this scheme.  A minority of offices will have officers right now who are competent to inspect electrical work.  It is assumed that most, if not all, will farm out the inspection work to NICEIC or NAPIT members, at least until they are able to build their in-house competency.