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Title: bleeding
Post by typical.me on Jul 26^th, 2005, 12:33am

Hiya,
Can anyone suggest a way to prepare stain and varnished woodwork prior to painting?
I actually stained and varnished my doors and skirting boards 15 years ago, now her indoors wants to go all modern and spoil it!! I used ronseal stain and ronseal varnish (not the water based stuff)
I dont really want to rub it all down, cos i tried to do a door with a gentle rub down, and after ucoat and top coat, the stain is bleeding through. Also it seems it is prone to chipping really easily. I used ultra fix from dulux as a primer, and top coat of dulux eggshell. Any one to help??
cheers
Mick

Title: Re: bleeding
Post by hamilton on Jul 26^th, 2005, 4:43pm

Mick

Had a job like this some time ago. After washing the woodwork I rubbed it down, (you have to do this) to give it a key, then gave it a coat of white undercoat.

Let it dry, lightly rub down again being careful not to go through the paint, and then gave it another undercoat.
When dry I gave it all one coat of white gloss.

There is the odd chip where the dopey cow hits the door frames with the vacuum cleaner, but this would happen anyway.

Was your stain actually bleeding through, or was it that you could still see it through the two coats that you put on?

Title: Re: bleeding
Post by Chaddy on Jul 26^th, 2005, 7:16pm

Had a job like this recently. Had to gloss over a stained handrail.

Did exactly as hamilton said.....key it up first, two coats of undercoat with a sand down(180grit) in between coats. A good coat of gloss.

Came up lovely. No signs of the stain.

Should be no problem. Let us know how you get on. good luck. ;D

Title: Re: bleeding
Post by typical.me on Jul 26^th, 2005, 10:43pm

Thanx guys, will do as you suggest.

Just another point, when i prepared woodwork in another room for painting, (which was stained ronseal canadian ceder and varnished) slight rub down, 2 ucoats and eggshell topcoat, it was even worse!!. The varnish that was on was the water based stuff, cuprinol. After several top coats I had to replace skirting boards and start from scratch as i couldnt stop the bleeding through!!
Is this a problem with the water based stuff, ie difficult to prepare and finish?
cheers
Mick

Title: Re: bleeding
Post by Dewy on Jul 26^th, 2005, 10:46pm

My local were replacing all the stools.
I got one of the old broken ones and repaired it then tried to paint over the stained varnish.
The paint solvent disolved the stain.
It took me 4-5 coats before the stain stopped running.

Title: Re: bleeding
Post by typical.me on Jul 27^th, 2005, 12:38am

Cheers Dewy,
at least i know it isnt just me having "senior moments"
mick

Title: Re: bleeding
Post by hamilton on Jul 27^th, 2005, 4:09pm

Not had it happen to me, so can't comment too much.

Alluminium flake primer should be good in this situation, it dries in overlapping flakes so nothing should bleed through. It is used on top of bitumen coated pipes before painting and stops that bleeding through.

Also good on highly resinous woods.

Title: Re: bleeding
Post by typical.me on Jul 27^th, 2005, 9:24pm

Thanx for that Hamilton, Do i still do the normal preparation, clean and gentle rub down etc, as my "good lady" has another room she wants sorting, and again that is varnished in the water based stuff.
mick

Title: Re: bleeding
Post by hamilton on Jul 27^th, 2005, 10:31pm

Mick

Preparation is everything, wash it, rub it, and paint it.

Alluminium flake primer is a dark grey colour, so will need two undercoats and a finish coat (assuming you are using white).

Title: Re: bleeding
Post by sailfishoney on Aug 28^th, 2005, 7:47am

15 years ago. Time to buy new and really make her happy.lol

Title: Re: bleeding
Post by billythekid on Aug 30^th, 2005, 11:33am

wrote on Jul 26^th, 2005, 4:43pm:

There is the odd chip where the dopey cow hits the door frames with the vacuum cleaner

fantastic! lol

btk