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What laminate floor? Advice for newbie.
Apr 12th, 2004, 5:12pm
 
I am about to fit a laminate or wooden floor to my hallway below are a few questions hopefully someone can help me with.

1 Which is better 'click' or T&G or any other method.
2 Which type are more hardwaring?
3 I am placing it in the hall, I gather I start in the top left and work down.
4. Do I need to take one length of skirting board off ie on the last wall the wood flooring finishes at.
5. I also gather I need to cut a section out of the skirting boards and architrave. I don't have the budget to get expensive tools though, what can I use?
6. Can I for ease, lay the floor UPTO the skirting board and leave a small expansion gap and cover this with quadrant. This will not look as good though.
Anyones help would be appreciated.
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Reply #1 - Apr 12th, 2004, 5:27pm
 
Hi Satman68 and welcome to the site Wink

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With T&G you have to glue it and it will take longer to do the job.  It is a cheaper option and i would advise going for a click version.  If you have to take the floor up for any reason it is a lot easier.  You can get a mid range version which is a click but once it's clicked you should not pull it back open.  I have found this to be a bit of a pain when your cutting the boards to fit certain areas because you really need to cut it right first time.  If you can afford it go for the one which you can click apart if you need to.

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Again you find the more expensive versions more hard wearing.  It should say what it is suitable for and a guarantee should come with the product.  Make sure you follow the guidlines so the guarantee is viable.

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Yes, with it being a hall way i would run it down the hall and not across because it wont look right.  Start where you have the straightest run and get the first couple of runs down first.

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You only have to take 1 length of skirting off when you are leaving all the skirtings on and cutting the skirtings with say a buscuit jointer, to slide the lam under it.  You then need to take the one length off to put the last board down.

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Yes you will have to cut the bottom of the arch's etc.  Just a cheap saw with no back plate will do fine.  Screwfix sell one which will do the job ok

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Yes, again this is an easier option.  Make sure you leave a good expansion gap and get quite a large quadrant type beading so you can leave a good gap.  This is then fixed to the skirting boards and not the floor which allows the floor to move.

Think ive covered everything Grin
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Reply #2 - Apr 12th, 2004, 6:20pm
 
Thanks very much Coggy.  I don't have a biscuit jointer.  What else can I use?

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Reply #3 - Apr 12th, 2004, 6:25pm
 
mmmm i cant think of anything else that would cut the bottom of the skirting boards whilst there on.

The only other options is to use the cover beading
or
Take all the skirtings off and lay the floor and put new skirtings back on.  If the skirtings are painted then s/wood skirting is really cheap.
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Reply #4 - Apr 12th, 2004, 7:46pm
 
iheelllooo again satman 68

if you do decide to remove the skirting
when youve cut the new skirting to size
paint before you put it down and fix with
no nails this wiil leave your nice floor safe
and paint free

quadrent painted skirting coulour i still
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Reply #5 - Apr 12th, 2004, 8:19pm
 
Yes i have to agree with Big All there

Quadrant painted skirting colour is a good option Wink
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Reply #6 - Apr 12th, 2004, 8:26pm
 
If  you intend to buy the colour coded scotia/beading made by the flooring manufacturer it may be cheaper to replace the skirting, and you'll get a better job at the end. Although I too agree that the Easiestoption is to use the scotia method. The choice, as they say, is yours
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Reply #7 - Apr 12th, 2004, 10:24pm
 
the trouble with the correct beading is it comes in relativly short lengths an costs a bomb about £1.50
a mtr  where as  quadrant is less than half that and
comes in much longer lenths especialy at wood yards

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Reply #8 - Apr 13th, 2004, 12:59am
 
me again
if you do consider the cheeper option [please dont]
you have to glue together three runs and wait to dry
[three widths full length]
now if your slightly out it becums a nightmare
a slight gap gets magnified at each subsiquent joint

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Reply #9 - Apr 16th, 2004, 9:29am
 
Thanks again m8s.  I think I will go for the 'removing the skirting board' method as it seems that will provide me with the best finish.  I know how it will be, I will go the beading method, finish everything and then look back and wish I had taken the skirting boards off!!  It might take longer but the finish will be better.

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Reply #10 - Apr 16th, 2004, 11:07am
 
heelllooo sat man 68

just make shure the gaps are a at least 4  mm less
than the skirting if your skirting is unusualy thin
you may have to cut off the tounge or groove
off the first run against the wall
[you dont want a black line showing] Angry

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Reply #11 - Apr 16th, 2004, 12:00pm
 
Thanks Big_All for that tip.

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Reply #12 - Apr 16th, 2004, 4:30pm
 
Just as a final thought.  What tools do I need for the job?

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Reply #13 - Apr 16th, 2004, 5:55pm
 
are you bying th instilation kit or not


fret saw    jig saw optional [but speeds things updramaticly]right angle could be hand saw[combination sqaure would be better] mitre saw or box for skirting
no nails or whatever you want to fix skirting with
work mate or something simmilar to lean on

click type no glue required
other sort glue

spade bit for plumbing holes ect

any thing ive forgoten i or someone wi add
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Reply #14 - Apr 16th, 2004, 11:49pm
 
Thank for the help.  

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Reply #15 - Apr 17th, 2004, 7:42pm
 
Ok I have visied B&* where they have the 'loc' system from 'floormaster'  is this ok?  It says it is reusable, probably meaning you can 'click' and 'unclick' the floor sections.

Can anyone advise?

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Reply #16 - Apr 17th, 2004, 6:49pm
 
yep thats the sort of stuff

if it gets alot of wear try and aim for the 10yr stuff

if its low to medium use youll  probably be ok with5yr
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Reply #17 - Apr 20th, 2004, 7:20pm
 
Try to get a hold of the pipe covers for around the heating pipes in the floor, finishes it of a treat. 8)
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Reply #18 - Apr 28th, 2004, 9:48pm
 
for lam flooring do not use a jig saw if you dont have to!as this does not do a good job also as a little trick place some underlay and a cutting of lam and butt against door facing and stop and run saw over it to cut to the exact width of flooring and that will save you cutting round akward shapes. also if you start flooring with the tougue(the pointy out bit) towards the wall and it is easier to fit the last piece hope this is some help!!!
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Reply #19 - Apr 28th, 2004, 9:52pm
 
oh i almost forgot!!!. when cutting round pipes measure for the hole and drill it then cut the board across the width and you will get a perfect seam and a neat hole!!!. ive done this on load of jobs and its never failed!!
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Reply #20 - Apr 28th, 2004, 10:47pm
 
helllooo jim the joiner
and big al


i needent tell you how confusing it is for ??? ??? ???
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Reply #21 - Apr 28th, 2004, 10:51pm
 
[quote author=jimthejoiner  link=1081786354/15#19 date=1083185570]oh i almost forgot!!!. when cutting round pipes measure for the hole and drill it then cut the board across the width and you will get a perfect seam and a neat hole!!!. ive done this on load of jobs and its never failed!! [/quote]

You lost me with that explanation I'm afraid! I was okay up until the bit of "drill it", but cutting across the width confused me. I thought you always tended to cut laminate flooring to length across the width?

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Reply #22 - Apr 28th, 2004, 11:23pm
 
I think he means if the pipe is say for example 100 mm from the edge of the board.  Mark where the pipe is on the board and drill a hole (Bit bigger for expansion of course) Wink and then cut from the hole to the outside of the board twice, from either side of the hole and then it will slide in where the pipe is.

I think thats what he meant, correct me if im wrong.
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Yep. That's the way I took it too.
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Reply #24 - Apr 30th, 2004, 7:51pm
 
what i meant was if you drill your hole in the correct position. then draw a line square across the board and centre of the hole and cut you end up with two halfs which fit together perfect and you have a hole without big cuts off the edge of the board.the joint is so neat you would not notice it any differently from the others machined joints on the boards. does that make it a bit clearer!!
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I think i get you.
If ive unserstood you right, wont there be no t&g on that joint then where you have cut across the board and if it was walked on would dip ???
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Reply #26 - Apr 30th, 2004, 9:00pm
 
not really as the skirting and the t+g on the other side holds it in place and also it is close to the wall so it wont be stood on that much trust me!!!!! Grin Grin
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Reply #27 - Apr 30th, 2004, 9:11pm
 
i would start with one t&g in the center on one pipe as jimthejoiner would,then for the otherside drill the hole,then mark 45 degrees from hole back to wall twice.giving a triangle piece that will glue in tight (no saw drafts).
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Reply #28 - Apr 30th, 2004, 9:20pm
 
that is one way but it is not the nicest finish as the triangle piece never looks right and always comes loose Smiley
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Reply #29 - Apr 30th, 2004, 10:55pm
 
Hey guys
done a lam floors before which was simple 1 door, square room no probs. Now gotta a room to do, room has 4 doors (2 on each opposite wall) - whats easiest direction to run floor ie lengths run into door or at right angles to door - I've got the choice. What do you reckon??
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Reply #30 - Apr 30th, 2004, 11:01pm
 
is there any windows in the room??
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Reply #31 - Apr 30th, 2004, 11:04pm
 
I would run them at right angles to the doors.  You just cut the boards off in length up to the threshold this way, the other way you are having to cut the boards down the length when you come to the final run which is a bit more tricky
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Reply #32 - Apr 30th, 2004, 11:09pm
 
I would do as coggy suggests and run the boards at 90 degrees to the doors, otherwise you could end up with a very thin board at your threshold.
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Reply #33 - Apr 30th, 2004, 11:22pm
 
wouldnt you lay the floor ing length wise along the length of the  floor ( opposed to  width of floor)  irelevant of the  doors? Smiley
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Reply #34 - Apr 30th, 2004, 11:26pm
 
I had the mental image of a squarish room with 2 doors on each facing wall.
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Reply #35 - Apr 30th, 2004, 11:26pm
 
windows are a big factor here as the flooring needs too run along so the joints dont flash up!!!!! regardless of doors
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Reply #36 - Apr 30th, 2004, 11:26pm
 
Well the guy says he has a choice so why chose the harder way.

Unless its a hallway i dont see it would make much difference really.

Just my opinion of course Wink
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Good point Jim about the window. Wink

 Yes i had a picture of a square room as well Roll Eyes
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Reply #38 - Apr 30th, 2004, 11:37pm
 
i was always taught to go square from the window or the longest wall if there are two windows!and that avoids seeing every joint flashing up!!
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Reply #39 - Apr 30th, 2004, 11:51pm
 
Same here Jim, anything parallel to the light source (window) will throw shadows making a slight error look carp. In a hallway the boards should run square to the door which leads the view in making the hall look longer & inviting.
Now you know how to put off door to door salesmen.
Lay the floor sideways to make it seem smaller & not worth their bother. Grin
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Reply #40 - Apr 30th, 2004, 11:54pm
 
i had two jahovas at the house once and i got my dressing gown on and faked a illness and they tried to come in and comfort me.............................doh!!!. the lam flooring was out the picture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reply #41 - May 1st, 2004, 10:15am
 
Hi guys

thanks for the advice - yeh its a square room near enough - doors on opp walls - window along another wall - with all those doors thought it would be easier to run floor 90 deg to doors, hadnt considered light source.
Still might do it that way cos i think it  will be a bugger laying parallel to doors, cutting boards down so as floor can go into doorway on both sides of room also its not the brightest of rooms

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Reply #42 - Jun 23rd, 2004, 10:10pm
 
whats the easiest way to lay the clik loc type flooring under architraves since you need to put the board in at an angle to teh last one unlike the T&G which can go in flat - hope that makes sense

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Reply #43 - Jun 25th, 2004, 12:20am
 
make a joint in the doorway if required
slide under one side
mark and cut slide under other side click together
most clicks will stillwork flat just need more
gentle carressing with a block and or hook
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Reply #44 - Jul 1st, 2004, 12:24pm
 
HippeChippie, if you do want to follow the light source then measure the room carefully and see if you will end up with a narrow piece on the final run. If it looks like you will, make the first run narrower by sawing along the length.

Greg, when I do under architraves where the last row is against the door (and I try and start with a door usually) then I will click the board in at the side of the door, and then slowly and carefully hammer it so that the whole board slides along till it's in place under the door. Don't forget to use an offcut to stop you damaging the piece when hammering. Then I fit the rest of the row.
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