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Planer / thicknesser
Jul 11th, 2004, 7:08pm
 
Whats the difference between a combined planer thicknesser and a jointer?

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Reply #1 - Jul 11th, 2004, 8:02pm
 
A jointer is a plane used to flatten timber & straighten board edges. A planer/thicknesser has the jointer (planer) on top plus rollers underneath to plane the boards to the required thickness.
You plane one face flat then put this face on the thicknesser rollers to plane to finished thickness.
To get correct width of boards you straigten one edge on the jointer then put this edge against the table saw fence to saw slightly oversize the finish by making a light pass with this sawn edge over the jointer.
You choose whichever machines suit your workshop.
Jointer only, thicknesser only or planer/thicknesser.
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Reply #2 - Jul 11th, 2004, 8:10pm
 
Dewy's got it spot on

If you only have a thicknesser you will never be able to straighten a bowed board as it will come out as bent as it went in. Thats why I can't see much point in only having a thicknesser and not the planner/joiner to go with it.

The advantage of two separate machines is that it saves time in having to keep changing from one setup to another which can take a while especially if the joiner tables have to be raised for thicknessing

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Reply #3 - Jul 11th, 2004, 8:25pm
 
At the moment I only have a jointer but learned the hard way what not to use it on. A lady friend gave me a table when she was moving. The top was a very dense veneered chipboard, double the wieght of most.
The legs and styles were teak. I took it apart and went to square up the turned legs. God, that teak is tough. I hadn't given a thought to the silicon content.  It's like fine glass in the wood. It soon blunted the 1st couple of inches of the blades. At least replacement knives are only £10 a pair for my model. Wink
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Reply #4 - Jul 16th, 2004, 5:33pm
 
What's your method of thicknessing with the jointer as, like Dewy, I only have a jointer (Rexon 6" model) and would appreciate any tips when it comes to slightly cupped or non square stock?

At the moment I'm truing up one face then by holding the now flat surface against the fence I get nice straight edges but I find the opposite face tends to be a bit hit and miss if its badly outta sorts, the problem being passing it across the jointer at a parallel particularly with thinish stock.

Ta in advance, Mike.
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Reply #5 - Jul 16th, 2004, 7:10pm
 
thats what the thicknesser is for doc

if your trying plane cup up rocky side
just remember the bit that has passed
the cutter has a flat on it so try supporting
the bit coming of after the blade
this is realy a two person job though Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - Jul 16th, 2004, 7:31pm
 
Dewy did you say cup upwards I was always told that the hollow should be at the bottom which stops the board rocking.

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The best you can get using a planner and table saw is one face side and two parallel face edges. plane face (widest dim) first, hold this face against fence and machine one face edge. Then over to table saw, face side down, face edge against femce, rip parallel 1mm oversize. back to planer face side to fence and plane the second edge.

If you are dealing with timber that is less than your Max saw cut you should be able to get that square by running it though with the first face & edges against the table & fence.

The other thing to bear in mind is that you can only easily strainghten a piece of timber 2.5 times longer than the planer table so the bigger the better.
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Reply #7 - Jul 16th, 2004, 9:37pm
 
Jason, I didn't say which way should be up.
I left that to the person using the jointer.
The best way to learn how to use any tool is to try it then learn from your own mistakes.
You soon learn which side or edge to put on the table. Wink
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Reply #8 - Jul 16th, 2004, 10:53pm
 
Sorry, should clarify a little.....

Max cut of my saw is just a fraction under 80mm, dimensions below this aren't a problem using the plane/joint face/edge/rip/joint method, and that's the procedure I usually use. But say I wanted 6" wide boards, what then? Hence the problem.

Yep, I know I could remove the saw guard and riving knife then pass the stock on edge twice but wouldn't fancy doing that, and also wouldn't expect anyone here to recommend trying it!

One thing that did spring to mind was gluing a temp shim on the face to be planed so that when offered to the jointer the good (face up) side is parallel to the bed - anyone tried it?, if not will try it tomorrow and report back.

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Reply #9 - Jul 17th, 2004, 8:10am
 
Short answer is to buy a thicknesser or sharpen up you handplane.

Main problem that I can see with the shim method is it will only work on short lengths as the shim will have to remain in contact with the table. I have used a similar method on the thicknesser to produce tapered legs but thats what you are trying to avoid!

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Reply #10 - Jul 17th, 2004, 10:08am
 
I wouldn't try gluing bits on the face you are going to plane. IMHO these machines are dangerous at the best of times and it is just too dangerous, if the piece catches in the cutter Cry.

Jason wrote;
"Short answer is to buy a thicknesser or sharpen up your handplane. "

sounds good advice to me.

You can always use a handplane to take off the worst irregularities then run it across the planer to get a final finish.
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Reply #11 - Jul 17th, 2004, 5:22pm
 
Doc, if you want a cheap thicknesser for DIY use Nutool do one a lot cheaper than any others I've seen.

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http://www.msctool.com/web_store.cgi?product=PPLANE&cart_id=1692287_6365

It cuts 254mm (10") wide & 130mm (5") thick.
NuTool are the importers of a great many 'own brand' tools including the B&Q Performance Power range.
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Reply #12 - Jul 17th, 2004, 5:28pm
 
thats bloody good value
if its any gooood £130 +£10 delivery
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Reply #13 - Jul 20th, 2004, 10:35pm
 
Thanks for the replies guys, just been looking at the Clarke one (thicknesser) at my local Machinemart (Gawd its too damn handy being at the end of my road!) and it appears to be the same model as the NuTool that Dewy linked... agree with BigAll, if it's any good for £130 - heck if it gets close - might be on my shopping list!

PS Don't tell the missus tho plz...

PPS My hand plane has seen quite a bit of action recently - if someone could pm me instructions on posting piccies will take some shots of a few projects I've been working on.

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Reply #14 - Jul 20th, 2004, 10:40pm
 
hi doc,
i am sure dewy could give you some guidance on this
one message and i posted a picture!!!
and i know nothing lol
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sorry for nominating you dewy Wink
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Reply #15 - Jul 20th, 2004, 10:54pm
 
Think I've sussed it..... I need to have the piccy on the 'Net and then link to it...... correct?


Mike.

Oh, meant to ask as I've never used one... how does a power hand plane compare to the quiet variety :p ???
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Reply #16 - Jul 20th, 2004, 11:04pm
 
depends depends and depends

depends on quality of your hand plane

depends on the quality of your power plane

depends on what your doing

curly wurlys hand plane 8) 8) 8)

hamster beding power plane Tongue Tongue Tongue
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