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House nearly completely rewired (Lights to go!)
Aug 11th, 2004, 9:15pm
 
OK, so we just had the house rewired. Ill give ya an overview:

First: Leccy comes to replace CU and connect up new Kitchen ring that the fitters added

3 Weeks after: Board comes to replace meter, brings 16mm tales but leaves new tails that the leccy who replaced the CU naughtily put in (25mm and brand new - Old tales were puny and with the added load of the new stuff it NEEDED to be replaced before it burnt off its RUBBER sheath!)

1 Month after: Another leccy comes and rewires all the rings. Some things to point out:

Downstairs sockets were radial (!!!!! Shocked Shocked)
There was this wierd joining contraption in the wall that did NOT look safe - exposed wires all over and breaking the single spur rule by far! 1 in to supply, 2 brought off for sockets
You know the contraption I mentioned earlier? Well, off this the imersian heater controls used to be fed, off which THE IMERSIAN HEATER ITSELF WAS FED! Also, some crackhead lecky said it was OK to run sockets off the imersian heater spurs! EEEK!!!!!!!!
Some of the sheathing had melted in places
Earths were sheaved NOWHERE

It was old Black Indian Rubber  Angry Yack!
Multiple strands of Tin Plated Copper

Glad its all out now.

Can I ask just one question: Is it legal to place 2 earths in one sheath (The earths are UNtwisted)
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Re: House nearly completely rewired (Lights to go!
Reply #1 - Aug 11th, 2004, 10:31pm
 
Not sure what you mean? Why would you want to?

More info please.

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Re: House nearly completely rewired (Lights to go!
Reply #2 - Aug 11th, 2004, 11:57pm
 
i think he means when bringing 2 T&E into a box funnign both thier earths in the same sleeve to the terminal
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Re: House nearly completely rewired (Lights to go!
Reply #3 - Aug 12th, 2004, 12:40am
 
On new sockets they have two earth terminals and 1 earth from each leg of the ring should go to each, but most sparks pace them in one sleeve and one terminal as a rule.

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Reply #4 - Aug 12th, 2004, 6:38am
 
[quote author=Owen  link=1092255327/0#0 date=1092255327]Downstairs sockets were radial (!!!!! Shocked Shocked) [/quote]
Why is that so shocking?

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There was this wierd joining contraption in the wall that did NOT look safe - exposed wires all over and breaking the single spur rule by far! 1 in to supply, 2 brought off for sockets

But there is no such rule with radial circuits...

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You know the contraption I mentioned earlier? Well, off this the imersian heater controls used to be fed, off which THE IMERSIAN HEATER ITSELF WAS FED! Also, some crackhead lecky said it was OK to run sockets off the imersian heater spurs! EEEK!!!!!!!!

Provided the circuit is properly designed to cope with the loads, why not?   BTW - they aren't spurs, they are legs.



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Re: House nearly completely rewired (Lights to go!
Reply #5 - Aug 12th, 2004, 11:26am
 
[quote author=ban-all-sheds  link=1092255327/0#4 date=1092289103]
Why is that so shocking?
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This is an ex council house - They normaly wire them up with downstairs and upstairs on one ring, so downstairs being radial is unusual. I think maybe someone at one point split it and added an upstairs ring - Leaving downstairs as radial
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But there is no such rule with radial circuits...

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Provided the circuit is properly designed to cope with the loads, why not?   BTW - they aren't spurs, they are legs.

Well, I dont know about you, but with the state of that contraption in the wall, I wouldnt want ANY sockets fed off it!

It was 2 plastic joiners seperate, one wire comming in (feed) 1 going through wall to living room, one going up to dining room socket, one going down and through to Imersian heater control (Converted to socket), With one leg off that to Imersian heater (Converted to socket upstairs).

Looks dodgey to me Wink

Oh, the contraption had Electrical Tape covering exposed wires at end

Ill have to get my digicam working and show you the thing Wink
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Re: House nearly completely rewired (Lights to go!
Reply #6 - Aug 15th, 2004, 1:32am
 
Ref Sleeving, Most sockets do not have two earth terminals, most have one, often dual earth sockets cost more, altho double earth appears to be getting more common.

if there is only one terminal, both should be sleeved individualy just the same, and run into the shared terminal.

With regard to Owen's post, some of it does indeed sound a tad worrying, but as BAS has pointed out this could not nessicaraly be the case, and what may look dodge from only a small ammount of experience may be peftectly ok.

But the camera sounds good, take us some pics and we can help you upload them, and give a definate answer on some of that.
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Re: House nearly completely rewired (Lights to go!
Reply #7 - Aug 15th, 2004, 8:51am
 
Also, be aware if you ask the wholesalers for a twin earth terminal socket.  They invariably give a 'clean earth' socket thinking thats what you meant!!

Clean earth sockets have two terminals, one connected to the pins, and the other to the fixing lugs.  The pin one for the clean earth and the other for the protective earth.

The other simply has 2 connections on the same earth bar, to take the two seperate earth from the ring/radial.  This is to comply with the fairly new 'high protective conductor current' regulation.

Most circuits will be fine with a bog standard socket, and its up to you if you sleeve the earths together of seperatly.  For fault finding etc, seperatly is best.
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