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Getting a key on varnish
Apr 6th, 2006, 6:23pm
 
'Er indoors wants me to paint a bit of pine furniture that looks like it's been factory varnished.

What's the best way to get a decent key on it before painting? Or is it best to remove the varnish with sandpaper/wire wool or chemically before priming and painting?
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Reply #1 - Apr 6th, 2006, 10:21pm
 
Wolf will be along shortly......................  Roll Eyes
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Reply #2 - Apr 7th, 2006, 1:20am
 
>'Er indoors wants me to paint a bit of pine furniture that looks >like it's been factory varnished.
What are you boy, man or mouse. She wants it done, tell her to do it herself. You go down the pub instead & have a few jars with the boys. What is the world coming to when a man has to........................
I'll finish this later, the wife's coming
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Reply #3 - Apr 7th, 2006, 8:14am
 
You should be able to just give a light sand, for a key, then undercoat/topcoat. Some factory finished pine has a wax coat which will resist paint, in which case you would need to sand that off completely. Best to try a small area.
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Reply #4 - Apr 7th, 2006, 5:58pm
 
If its been varnished you need to sand it down and get most of it off, not too smooth, but to get a key, and you might have to put a wood primer on it, and if the knots havent been treated, the knot them first, cause they will bleed after a year or so into the paint, then undercoat and gloss etc.

I always give wooden doors like this at least two undercoats, and slightly sand down between coats. Smiley
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Re: Getting a key on varnish
Reply #5 - Apr 7th, 2006, 7:27pm
 
[quote author=corablimey  link=1144344215/0#4 date=1144429105]
, and slightly sand down between coats. Smiley [/quote]

i tried that , and got the sand paper stuck to my jersey!!!! Grin Grin Grin

as W/S states, test first, in an obscure place!!! as some factory applied Varn@#hes have certain catalysts added to penetrate deep into the wood, so appliing a piant finish can go horribly wrong!!!

so test is the name of the game here.....

Bloody varn@#hers!!!!! Grin
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Reply #6 - Apr 7th, 2006, 10:55pm
 
[quote author=WOLF  link=1144344215/0#5 date=1144434447]
as W/S states, test first, in an obscure place!!! [/quote]

Snodland?  8)
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Reply #7 - Apr 8th, 2006, 8:55am
 
[quote author=corablimey  link=1144344215/0#4 date=1144429105]If its been varnished you need to sand it down and get most of it off, not too smooth, but to get a key, and you might have to put a wood primer on it, and if the knots havent been treated, the knot them first, cause they will bleed after a year or so into the paint, then undercoat and gloss etc.
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I thought that if the timber was varnished and you didn't sand through to the knot that it could be overpainted without knotting as the varnish has sealed the knot Undecided ???

I could be wrong Roll Eyes, its not something I do often, and perhaps I've just been lucky Undecided
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Reply #8 - Apr 8th, 2006, 12:19pm
 
I think what cora meant was, if he sanded down to bare wood. Personaly If it's furniture inside the house, I don't think it would need priming, as it's not going to get the weather in it, but if it's down to bare wood, it will need three coats, so it won't hurt.

The woodsmith method is good, with the addition of wiping it with a drop of white spirit if it is waxy.

Women have a habit of polishing pine, and that will have to be removed.
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Reply #9 - Apr 8th, 2006, 2:21pm
 
Thanks hamilton, thats exactly what I meant, Smiley cause if the varnish is sanded off the knots and they are bare, they would have to be knotted prior to painting.

My pet hate is going in to a job to repaint doors for example and see that whoever has painted them before didnt even bother to knot them, and they have bled through  Roll Eyes
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Reply #10 - Apr 8th, 2006, 2:35pm
 
Two decorators agreeing Shocked it wouldn't happen in any other trade  Wink

So we are all right Grin

Just been to a barn conversion, all the doors are pine, ledge and braced and painted white, with no knotting. What a mess for the sake of a couple of minutes work Roll Eyes I've told him he'll have to get them all dipped.
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Reply #11 - Apr 8th, 2006, 4:18pm
 
Decorators are very agreeable people woody. Aint that right cora.   Grin
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Reply #12 - Apr 8th, 2006, 11:48pm
 
[quote author=hamilton  link=1144344215/0#6 date=1144446945]

Snodland?  8)
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Reply #13 - Apr 9th, 2006, 10:44am
 
Once you have seen the sign to Snodland, you never forget it.  Smiley
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Reply #14 - Apr 9th, 2006, 10:49am
 
almost as good as the sign on the Isle of Sheppey!!

which reads Queenborough 1 mile
Halfway 2 miles
Sheerness 3 miles

well of course "halfway" is a mile "between the 2 of them!!!  Stupid council!!!!

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Reply #15 - Apr 9th, 2006, 7:30pm
 

The Isle of Sheppey Wot a 'ole .They should blow up the crossing to that place and make it into a prison ilsand Grin
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Reply #16 - Apr 9th, 2006, 11:31pm
 
OI!! my brother and his family live on the isle of Mess, and her parents too!!...



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Hang on a MO POINT TAKEN ..

damned good idea!! Splinter old bean!!! Grin Grin

i can provide the fuse no probs, when do we start!!! Grin Grin
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