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Stain block
Jul 2nd, 2009, 12:43pm
 
A property I need to do some work in has water stains on some walls, from penetrating damp (failed pointing). I have sorted the pointing and now want to touch up the emulsion on the effected areas indoors.
Should I use a stain block paint first? Will something like Johnsons Alkali Resisting paint work? Should I just touch up with emulsion and hope the stain does not bleed through?
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Re: Stain block
Reply #1 - Aug 4th, 2009, 9:50am
 
Try ZINSSER B-I-N Primer-sealer stain killer. It's a shellac base sealer that dries in 15 mins & can be recoated in 45 mins! It's horrible to paint with as it dries so quick, it also dries on your brushes quick & can only be cleaned off with Meths, so disposable brushes would be a good idea.
It's not cheap, about £13 litre, available from BNQ, and it does the job!
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Reply #2 - Aug 4th, 2009, 2:16pm
 
Ta, I will keep an eye out for it.
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Re: Stain block
Reply #3 - Aug 4th, 2009, 7:25pm
 
Can you paint matt emulsion over the Zinzer BIN?
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Reply #4 - Aug 5th, 2009, 9:48am
 
woodsmith wrote on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:25pm:
Can you paint matt emulsion over the Zinzer BIN?

'Use with all paints' it say's on the tin. I painted it on a new wall in the bathroom & overpainted it with Dulux b'room paint.
It can also be used as knotting, which is nice as it's white!
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Reply #5 - Aug 5th, 2009, 5:46pm
 
Thanks, the reason I asked is that I've recently discovered  you shouldn't paint matt on top of silk or gloss emulsion.
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Re: Stain block
Reply #6 - Aug 6th, 2009, 4:38pm
 
Really if you must paint matt emulsion over silk it's best to really rub down the silk to provide a 'key'.

Putting flat paint over shiny paint is not too good, shiny over matt, not so bad.

What's all this about 'gloss emulsion' Woody, it's a new one on me.  Undecided
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Reply #7 - Aug 7th, 2009, 6:57am
 
hammy wrote on Aug 6th, 2009, 4:38pm:
What's all this about 'gloss emulsion' Woody, it's a new one on me.  Undecided


What, I'm surprised you don't use it all the time  Tongue

You are, of course quite right, I meant gloss paint or silk emulsion Embarrassed
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Reply #8 - Aug 7th, 2009, 2:54pm
 
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woodsmith wrote on Aug 4th, 2009, 7:25pm:
Can you paint matt emulsion over the Zinzer BIN?

'Use with all paints' it say's on the tin. I painted it on a new wall in the bathroom & overpainted it with Dulux b'room paint.
It can also be used as knotting, which is nice as it's white!



And the reason I was using it in the first place, was that the bathroom paint peeled off! It was like wallpaper, I've never seen anything like it in my life.
The walls had had a fresh skim (2 coats) of plaster about 2 or 3 weeks prior, then a VERY wet & messy mist coat with about 20-25% water added as it was very hot at the time. Next a coat that was probably about 10% thinned, then a finish straight from the tin. The paint was ICI/Dulux Bathroom paint (with the little yellow duck on it), which I have used loads of times before.
After the tiling (I painted before the tiling as the mist coat is so messy) I taped over the plastic edging & a bit of wall with masking tape to keep it clean from grout. As soon as the grouting was finished I removed the masking tape..........and most of the paint! I had sheets of it hanging over the shower door!
I contacted the ICI/Dulux Customer Advice Centre & spoke with  a very helpful young lady who asked me to send in a sample.
Today I got the feedback that it was nothing to do with the paint, but as a goodwill measure they would compensate me with 5l of a paint of my choice.
I'm more than happy with the the result, but am curious as to what others would have done for priming / mist coat?
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Reply #9 - Aug 7th, 2009, 9:57pm
 
I probably would have done the same as you TB, except I would have used Wickes paint because it is half the price  Grin
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Reply #10 - Aug 8th, 2009, 1:55pm
 
I think I would have done the same as you TB.
You waited two or three weeks for the plaster to dry out, no problem there.

You thinned the mist coat well so it would sink into the plaster, OK.
Subsequent coats, OK.

I would hazard a guess that when the paint came away from the plaster that it came clean away and left the original bare plaster, ie, the mist coat came off as well.

If that is the case it suggests to me that the plasterer has shone the plaster up to a hard finish and as thin as it was, the mist coat just sat on the top rather than soaked in.

Paint's OK.  Your painting's OK.

Find the plasterer and kill him.
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Re: Stain block
Reply #11 - Aug 8th, 2009, 2:54pm
 
Ahh, now that makes sense, thanks for that Hammy. I have a few rooms to emulsion and I have become paranoid of late that the paint will just peel off, now I know what to look for. Smiley
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Re: Stain block
Reply #12 - Aug 8th, 2009, 10:58pm
 
Over-skimming can cause your problems, TB. By that I mean the plasterer going over and over and over the final skim layer.
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Would all Third Party Apologists kindly mind their own business .....
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Reply #13 - Aug 9th, 2009, 11:40am
 
hammy wrote on Aug 8th, 2009, 1:55pm:
Find the plasterer and kill him.


Much as I like a good punch-up, this may be a bit of a problem as he is a tonking great ex para who used to coach the para boxing team!He doesn't go down easliy!
He's also my father-in-law, and it is a free job so I can't ask for my money back:-)
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Reply #14 - Aug 10th, 2009, 7:45pm
 
Give the walls a rub with some sandpaper, wipe off the dust and start again...
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