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DIY Forum >> Electrical Questions >> City&Guilds 2382 https://www.askthetrades.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1227956869 Message started by ElectricalTraining on Nov 29th, 2008, 11:07am |
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Title: City&Guilds 2382 Post by ElectricalTraining on Nov 29th, 2008, 11:07am 2382 Syllabus The 2382 Certificate in the Requirements for Electrical Installations syllabus and question bank is based solely on the IEE BS 7671:2008 Wiring Regulations. It includes no content related directly to the IEE On-Site Guide other than content which is also in BS 7671. We have no plans to alter the syllabus to include On-Site Guide content. Any changes to the content of the 2382 syllabus, and therefore the examination, would be clearly communicated to centres well in advance. Open Book requirements A number of centres have asked whether the IEE BS 7671:2008 Wiring Regulations need to be ‘clean’ eg free from notes, annotations and / or bookmarks. This is the case – the regulations taken into the examination need to be ‘clean’ e.g. free from notes, annotations, bookmarks and anything else that may in any way aid candidates in undertaking the examination. Invigilators must inspect any regulations that are taken into the examination to ensure they are ‘clean’ or alternatively pre-inspected ‘clean’ copies can be provided by the centre. No publications other than the IEE BS 7671:2008 Wiring Regulations are currently permitted into the 2382 Certificate in the Requirements for Electrical Installations examinations. |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by Zambezi on Nov 29th, 2008, 12:50pm That's interesting Chubbs, the last course I did everybody's regs books were decorated like Christmas trees. While on the course the lecturers were suggesting sections to highlight, tag and flag. |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by JerryD on Nov 29th, 2008, 4:42pm They'll be telling us to tear out the index next >:( |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by dingbat on Nov 30th, 2008, 9:22am wrote on Nov 29th, 2008, 4:42pm:
I just remember all the page numbers... far quicker. ;) |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by wozzy on Nov 30th, 2008, 10:11am how stupid, the point in having the flags on the pages is to speed up answering the questions, because you have so many questions with little time. Lets face it you are never going to be using the regs that intensively in the real world. I can not see the point the point in making students take longer to answer the questions. If they want to make the exam harder they should just make the questions harder not make using a book harder! |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by dingbat on Nov 30th, 2008, 11:52am wozzy wrote on Nov 30th, 2008, 10:11am:
But it doesn't. If anything, it creates greater confusion - ask anybody coming out of an exam if they actually used their tabs. The quickest way it to understand and use the structure of the regulations, starting from page 3. As for not using the regulations in 'real life', that's a big part of the problem. Most sparks seem to prefer to rely on hearsay and have very little idea of what the regulations actually require. |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by wozzy on Nov 30th, 2008, 12:08pm when i said 'real world' i was not refering to way electricians use them, i was refering to the fact what in the exam you use the regs 64 times in 90 minutes. Yes understanding the structure is better than using tabs, but i think its better students spend their time interpreting the regulation and making a educated decision on the information they have gathered than spending their time looking FOR the information. |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by dingbat on Nov 30th, 2008, 7:26pm wozzy wrote on Nov 30th, 2008, 12:08pm:
To be pedantic, 60 questions in 120 minutes, or 30 questions in 60 minutes, depending on which exam they are taking. Quote:
I hope by that you mean understanding the requirements. The regulations are not meant to be interpreted and that particular myth is partly responsible for the generally poor relationship sparks have with them.. The GOLA exam is laid out in sections corresponding to the parts of the regulations. Knowing just the question number is a pretty good guide to where to find the answer. Invariably, if you can understand what the question is asking you'll find the relevant requirements quite quickly. Overwhelmingly, candidates arrive on courses poorly prepared and with a disappointing attitude... ...but they tend to raise their game for the resit! ;) |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by JerryD on Nov 30th, 2008, 7:35pm dingbat wrote on Nov 30th, 2008, 7:26pm:
Sounds like every exam I've ever taken....... ::) |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by LSpark on Nov 30th, 2008, 11:25pm dingbat wrote on Nov 30th, 2008, 7:26pm:
lmao ;D Reminds me though, I better be getting mine soon, the 2381 is ready for the shredder :-D |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by The_Trician on Dec 2nd, 2008, 9:49am "The regulations are not meant to be interpreted and that particular myth is partly responsible for the generally poor relationship sparks have with them.." However, since they are so poorly drafted and often indistinct, most sparks could be excused for interpreting them. If they are poorly understood, then they are poorly written and their aims are ill-defined. Of course there will always a core who will never understand anything, but if the writers and publishers wish to have their regulations adhered to, then they should ensure that the regs are communicated in a coherent style if their intended audience are to apply them fully and correctly. It seems that forces are at work to make the regs as unreadable and confusing as possible with each update, and I rather suspect that those forces are European in origin. TT |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by sparxxxx on Dec 2nd, 2008, 5:02pm Hear! Hear! TT |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by cosbycarl on Dec 2nd, 2008, 9:11pm dingbat wrote on Nov 30th, 2008, 11:52am:
what do you mean by that ding? read the whole regs from page 3? |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by Lectrician on Dec 3rd, 2008, 6:38am You are not expected to know the regs inside out carl - The architecture is explained on page 3. |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by dingbat on Dec 3rd, 2008, 9:40am The_Trician wrote on Dec 2nd, 2008, 9:49am:
Have you ever actually read the regs properly though? Start at the first regulation in a section, or a regulation group and it invariably gives you the basic requirement in plain English. Subsequent regs then expand on that, or cover specific circumstances, which may or may not apply. Too often sparks start at some random place and get confused; you should do it like this: Consider the nature of your query. On page 3, identify the relevant chapter and go to the title page of that chapter. Identify the relevant section or regulation group. (sections have three digits) and find it in the chapter. Go to that section and read the scope/introduction/general requirements headings to see if it does apply. If so, read the section from the beginning. If not, redefine your search using the correct terminology. Do this and you will discover one of two things... That the regs are, in fact, logical and clear... or.... ...that it's time to on a course! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by ChubbyPhaseWire on Dec 5th, 2008, 4:14pm dingbat wrote on Nov 30th, 2008, 9:22am:
Just remember all the the page numbers What idiot does that ;) |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by RabbitRabbit on Dec 5th, 2008, 6:57pm "Best Recognised Training Provider" :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by LSpark on Dec 8th, 2008, 12:01am RR Your Back! ;D |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by The_Trician on Dec 8th, 2008, 6:02pm "What idiot does that" The ones you teach................ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by Zambezi on Jan 9th, 2009, 10:25pm wrote on Jan 9th, 2009, 9:25pm:
Hey Chubby maybe the forum should charge you for advertising your training courses (especially because you don't ever really have anything constructive to contribute, unless you count :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8-) ::) :P :-[ :-X and bumping old threads that happen to promote your training services) |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by LSpark on Jan 11th, 2009, 1:39am Yes but you helped him now, that's another 4-weeks free advertising in the top 10 of DIY electrical woes :'( More lost revenue! |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by Zambezi on Jan 11th, 2009, 6:09pm He deleted his post! (unless it was one of the mods?). He posted a trademark :) just before my previous post.... |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by Lectrician on Jan 11th, 2009, 7:27pm I didn't mod anything - not sure if anyone else did? |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by Zambezi on Jan 11th, 2009, 10:05pm His post is saved as a quote in my message. I thought I had too many Jack Daniels and imagined it but thankfully when a post is deleted it does not delete it from quotes in other people's posts. |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by The_Trician on Jan 11th, 2009, 11:19pm Which makes him ,look an even bigger numpty than he already is! TT |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by LSpark on Jan 11th, 2009, 11:28pm Lectrician wrote on Jan 11th, 2009, 7:27pm:
Nopey lol |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by ChubbyPhaseWire on Jan 28th, 2009, 11:43am LSpark wrote on Jan 11th, 2009, 1:39am:
More lost revenue ? |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by LSpark on Jan 29th, 2009, 8:05pm Can we charge chubby per posting?.. *cough* I think we may be able to offer you a direct debit type facility Chubs, less paperwork for you ;D |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by Zambezi on Jan 29th, 2009, 10:58pm I saw his post and did not take the bait this time... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by LSpark on Jan 30th, 2009, 7:57pm Damn.. I fell for it hook line and sinker ;D We're equal now Zamb.. ::) |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by ChubbyPhaseWire on Feb 17th, 2009, 4:43pm LSpark wrote on Jan 30th, 2009, 7:57pm:
:-? |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by supra59 on Mar 16th, 2009, 8:34pm hi i have just sat the 2382 and you was allowed tabs on the regs book i never bothered but quite a few did and also you were allowed the onsite guide in the exam a calc but no notes or mobil phones allowed and would be disqualified if they found any |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by ChubbyPhaseWire on May 23rd, 2009, 5:42pm wrote on Mar 16th, 2009, 8:34pm:
No publications other than the IEE BS 7671:2008 Wiring Regulations are currently permitted into the 2382 Certificate in the Requirements for Electrical Installations examinations. ;) |
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Title: Re: City&Guilds 2382 Post by Twobarrows on May 25th, 2009, 10:16am wrote on May 23rd, 2009, 5:42pm:
Big round of applause everybody, Chubby added value ! Sorry, Chubbs I take it all back, you are not a complete waste of space! |
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