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Title: Changes to Part P (Electrical safety - Dwellings)
Post by ElectricalTraining on Feb 1^st, 2012, 5:46pm

Changes to Part P (Electrical safety-Dwellings) of the
Building Regulations in England

This Impact Assessment sets out the proposed changes to Part P of the Building Regulations and provides an analysis of the associated costs and benefits.

The proposals aim to reduce the bureaucracy and cost burdens that Part P imposes on installers, building control bodies and consumers, without undermining the improvements to electrical safety, installer competence and the quality of electrical installation work arising from the introduction of Part P in 2005.

The proposed changes would simplify the Part P guidance and improve compliance with its provisions.

This Impact Assessment is a supporting document for Section three of the 2012 Building Regulations consultation, which can be found below in the "Related publications" section.

http://www.electricaltraining.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,433.0.html

Title: Re: Changes to Part P (Electrical safety - Dwellings)
Post by The_Trician on Feb 1^st, 2012, 10:05pm

Great! The only Notifiable work left on the list is in Bathrooms!

Read the PDF document in this link - it tells you what they are proposing to do - Part P looks as if it will be significantly watered-down.

http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/2063566.pdf

Also this one - the Consultation Document -

http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/2077837.pdf

Title: Re: Changes to Part P (Electrical safety - Dwellings)
Post by londonman on Feb 1^st, 2012, 10:11pm

Option 2 in the Impact Assessment is the only sane option.

EDIT: Looking at those stats I don't believe them, frankly. RoSPA had no deaths recorded as a result of faulty wiring. The fatalities referred to are, I believe, down to people slicing through the extension lead with the mower or of that ilk.

Title: Re: Changes to Part P (Electrical safety - Dwellings)
Post by CWatters on Feb 2^nd, 2012, 4:59pm

http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/2077837.pdf

Quote:

Jobs that we believe could be made non-notifiable without seriously
affecting electrical safety are:
(a) Alteration work in kitchens
(b) Alteration work outdoors
(c) Alteration work outside zones 0, 1 and 2 in bathrooms – in other words,
the parts of the bathroom that are considered to be out of reach when
standing in the bath or shower (at least 600mm away from the edge of
the bath or shower basin)
(d) Alteration work associated with electric floor and ceiling heating systems
(e) All work on low voltage and extra-low voltage control wiring for fire,
security and heating systems that does not include the installation of a
new circuit and is also outside bathroom zones 0, 1 and 2.

I had thought they might relax the ELV rules so DIYers can install some types of LED lighting. Is the world happy with pre-wired sets?

Title: Re: Changes to Part P (Electrical safety - Dwellings)
Post by Lectrician on Feb 4^th, 2012, 12:33pm

It is the pre-wired sets that cause the most issues in my opinion.

They often have cheapy laminated transformers of 60VA, a length of 0.75mm flex with trailing sockets and 20watt downlights with plugs.

People then bodgingly extend the flex as it is too short for them, and swap lamps for 35 or 50watt.

The transformers overheat, having no overheat protection, the cases cracking leaving the open laminate core exposed. The cables overheat too.

IMO the kits should be banned!