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DIY Forum >> Electrical Questions >> C&G 2381 16th edition regs https://www.askthetrades.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1092425635 Message started by outbassed on Aug 13th, 2004, 8:33pm |
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Title: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by outbassed on Aug 13th, 2004, 8:33pm Hello all, I am taking my 2381 exam in sep and was wondering if anyone has got any copies of past exam papers that they could supply me with. Any help would be most welcome Thanks Phil |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by tellondon on Sep 3rd, 2004, 9:04pm Nice of you to personally promote your book on here Brian, doesnt the on site guide do exactly the same thing? |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by L.Spark on Sep 4th, 2004, 3:34pm lol @ tellondons post, ignore him Tell, if you are taking the C&G 2381 course for IEE Wiring Regulations, you will need the latest copy of BS 7671, or blue with amendmants :) |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by Mice on Sep 4th, 2004, 3:57pm I'm taking the course in a few weeks and from what I've been told by the sparks that I work with its practically impossible to fail, being open book and all ;) |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by HandyMac on Sep 4th, 2004, 7:57pm I did 2381 last year and got the certificate - and I'm not a time-served spark nor do I work with others who could have given me any guidance. The approach I took in the final exam was as follows. There are 60 questions on the paper, you choose A, B, C or D for each question. Those are the only 4 answers, and only one of them is right. I started by going thru the questions and answering those which I knew the answer to without having to go looking anything up. At about 30 seconds per question that probably took care of 30% or so of the questions on the paper in about 15 minutes. I then went thru a 2nd time, looking up answers in the blue book. If the answer didn't pop out immediately then I passed on to the next question. That probably took another 30% of the questions off the paper, so I'm now running at 60% right answers (I understand the passmark is 40% but I might be wrong - if it is 40% I'd already passed by now). By now I'd burned about one hour of time, there's another hour left. I then spent half and hour grappling with some of the more difficult questions. By now I've answered about 80% of the paper, probably with a 95% accuracy rate allowing for one or two dodgy answers. That left me with a half hour to go. I had about a dozen questions left unanswered, so I went thru those chosing A, B, D or D at random - no point finishing the paper with an answer unmarked 'cos you'll fail that question regardless - you might as well guess given as you've got a 25% chance of getting it right. You don't have to explain your answers - if the answer is B and you select B then you've got a tick, pure and simple. I left with about 20 minutes of the exam to go. Felt comfortable that I'd passed, and a couple of weeks later I got the certificate to prove it. The way NOT to pass is to try and work thru the questions in the order presented. If you get bogged down on a question for more than 2 minutes then leave it - you can always come back later on if time permits - and you do not have to score 100% to get the certificate. I know some of the answers I gave would have been wrong, but I got the certificate. Like others have said, it's nigh on impossible to fail if you go thru the training classes, take note of what the instructor says, and do whatever test questions you can lay your hands on. This isn't a rocket science exam, it's about whether you've grasped the basic principles of being able to use the blue book. If you've got a problem on-site then you ain't going to give up looking for the answer after 2 minutes - you'll keep looking until you get the right answer, and that's what the exam is trying to test for. Andrew |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by L.Spark on Sep 6th, 2004, 10:18pm I think your find electrical Science alot more technical than the regulations. What grade did you get in the certificate Handy? |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by HandyMac on Sep 7th, 2004, 7:51am It was graded? I just opened the envelope, saw the certificate and filed it somewhere. I assumed it was a one-size-fits-all. Andrew |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by L.Spark on Sep 7th, 2004, 12:37pm Well most certificates for leccy are graded Pass/Credit/Distinction. |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by L.Spark on Sep 7th, 2004, 12:39pm arh ok, see what you mean, just had a look at some one eleses, just reads who was successful in the following one component 'Multiple-Choice Test' okiedokie then ::) |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by HandyMac on Sep 7th, 2004, 5:17pm Just looked at mine again - all it says in terms which might suggest competence is "level 3". But that might be a generic term for the type of exam. Doesn't bother me if I didn't get a distinction because I only ever take on very simple work like changing (or adding) a light fitting. Can't really go wrong with those 'cos the requirements are dead simple. Now if I were installing CU's or doing anything relatively serious I'd be concerned about my level of knowledge. But those jobs I pass on to sparks anyway. Besides, all C&G2381 clarifies is that you understand how to read the regs and recite "ONE DOT THREE DOT THIRTYSIX", and have the ability to write your name on the exam paper ;) ::Cowers waiting for insults to come from others:: Andrew |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by The_Trician on Sep 7th, 2004, 6:52pm 2381 answer papers are now read by OCR - the computer can only give a 'Pass' or a 'Fail'. No other classifications are possible, hence no mention of 'Pass' 'Credit' 'Merit' or 'Distinction'. Not like the old days. Written papers are different. but multichoice all seem to be sorted by a computer using OCR. TT |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by HandyMac on Sep 7th, 2004, 7:38pm It's not even OCR - you place a line in one of the boxes shown against each question, and if that box is marked then it is taken as an answer. I don't see why this scheme prevents grading - after all GCSE's and the like are graded according to the number of right/wrong answers given! Andrew |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by L.Spark on Sep 7th, 2004, 8:42pm wrote on Sep 7th, 2004, 5:17pm:
level 3, is the level of the course, 236 is at level 3, Part 1 is at level 2, and I don't no anything that goes to level 1 except somthing like electrical apreceation for plumbers :) |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by L.Spark on Sep 7th, 2004, 8:44pm wrote on Sep 7th, 2004, 5:17pm:
Andy, 238 is only there to teach people how to applicate regulations, and access the regs books, it seems pointless if you don't actively use the regs or have any background, but either way its nice you have it |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by L.Spark on Sep 7th, 2004, 8:46pm and finnaly ;D there is no reason why it can't be grade in my eyes, Part 1 236 was multiple choice and was graded, Part 2 is a written exam and is still graded... If I remember, if you want the awnser to be not taken, then you fill the whole box up, and you make another full line on the next box you want to be taken as your awnser :) |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by Beanzy on Sep 7th, 2004, 8:55pm Naw just had a look at both the 2381 from 2002 & 2391 from last year and not a mention, I know I walked the 2381 with bu66er all wrong and think I did very well on the 2391 but no mention of anything other than "This certificate is awarded to the auld eejit" so if they ever did grade it like the 2360 series then they must have dropped it now. I guess they only care if you're up to the grade for these sub-specialisms, whereas Credit, Distinction etc could be really useful for employers taking on a newbie. |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by L.Spark on Sep 7th, 2004, 9:03pm nah thats what were saying beanzy, I couldnt believe there was no mark, but ive got one here thats dated 1992, and it has no mention then, so nothings changed :) |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by HandyMac on Sep 8th, 2004, 5:56am This couldn't possibly be anything to do with colleges improving their pass rates in order to serve their political masters could it? I guess having been thru the 2381 I'm slightly concerned that the pass rate might not be that high. Someone told me the pass mark was 40%, but I haven't got that confirmed. But if it was confirmed then it's somewhat alarming that a spark could be wandering around connecting things up which are possibly 60% erroneous...... ....oo-err missus! Andrew |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by sparkyjonny on Oct 17th, 2004, 8:02pm I've just heard this is the last year OMR is going to be used for marking...next year each candidate will use a computer terminal (possibly via the net - uncertain though) - similiar to driving theory tests! |
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Title: Re: C&G 2381 16th edition regs Post by dingbat on Oct 17th, 2004, 11:34pm wrote on Oct 17th, 2004, 8:02pm:
City & Guilds has a range of titles called E-Quals which are sat at a terminal. (I used to administer the tests at the college I taught at) This might be what they are planning to do with some trade exams. What happens is this. There is a master question bank for each subject and level from which the (multi-guess) test papers are constructed. When you are ready you will be entered and C & G will send a test especially for you. In a whole class sitting the same qualification at the same time every student will have a different exam and even if two students get the same question the order of the possible answers will be different. So you can't take home a paper for your mates and you can't even ask, "Here mate, what did you put for question fifteen?" The exams are taken at an approved test centre and results are usually available to the administrators straight afterwards but probably won't be published until C & G have confirmed receipt of the completed papers. You won't be able to sit the papers over the internet from home for obvious reasons. |
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