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Title: c&g 2381 2391
Post by supra59 on Oct 12^th, 2004, 10:17pm

when you pass the 2381 2391 does this allow you to carry out new instalation test periodic tests etc and give a cert or do you have to be nic registerd ,forgetting the new part p for the moment. thanks supra

Title: Re: c&g 2381 2391
Post by L.Spark on Oct 12^th, 2004, 10:24pm

Yes, but once part p comes in you would need to be NIC or other approving body �::)

Title: Re: c&g 2381 2391
Post by dingbat on Oct 12^th, 2004, 11:42pm

Tests on new installations are the responsibility of the installation contractors and if you work to 7671 then you must issue certification for all but maintenance jobs (replacing socket plates, etc) anyway. You need no qualifications in order to do this and Part P does not change this requirement, it simply makes most domestic electrical installation work notifiable to Building Control

Part P does not include periodics inspection reports.

In theory you actually need no formal qualifications in order to carry out a periodic, although without a 2391 you might be hard put to prove your competence should you need to. In practice, however, the kind of organisations that might routinely ask for PIR's (Councils, Insurers, etc) have already been got at and may insist that you are a NICEIC Approved Contractor anyway. (But it still has nowt to do with Part P)

Title: Re: c&g 2381 2391
Post by L.Spark on Oct 12^th, 2004, 11:45pm

Seems hard to believe that, one org says one thing, another says something else, I cannot describe in words how thoroughly annoyed, frustrated, and bored I am of all this cr4p! ::) >:(

Title: Re: c&g 2381 2391
Post by dingbat on Oct 13^th, 2004, 12:17pm

wrote on Oct 12^th, 2004, 11:45pm:

Seems hard to believe that, one org says one thing, another says something else, I cannot describe in words how thoroughly annoyed, frustrated, and bored I am of all this cr4p! �::) >:(

What's brought this on, LS? As far as I can see the bodies involved in the whole Part Pooh business are all saying the same thing, but saying it in such a way as to make it look like they are the only option. But an awful lot of sparks are making up their own conclusions and promulgating those as facts.

What is it that you're not sure of?

Title: Re: c&g 2381 2391
Post by supra59 on Oct 13^th, 2004, 7:32pm

thanks for the answers does this also apply to industrial
or is it different i no part p is not apart of industrial work as yet thanks in advance supra

Title: Re: c&g 2381 2391
Post by dingbat on Oct 13^th, 2004, 11:18pm

You should actually read the approved document yourself, rather than rely on second-hand interpretations, but generally speaking, Part P applies only to 'dwellings'.

To some people 'industrial' might simply mean working on a large scale building site. If it's living accommodation then the Building Regulations apply... and Part P is Part P of the Building Regulations

Title: Re: c&g 2381 2391
Post by L.Spark on Oct 14^th, 2004, 12:03am

wrote on Oct 13^th, 2004, 12:17pm:

Well maby I have just seen it differently than how it is or prehaps got the wrong end of the stick :-/

anyway im fed up of it all now, as are most of us..