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Title: Garden Shed
Post by Shed_Boy on Mar 2^nd, 2005, 11:25am

Hello All.

I'm new to this woodworking lark (found I like it 40 years too late) and I am contemplating building a simple garden shed of about 8' X 4'. Any pitfalls I should look out for? Does the angle of the roof rafters have to be a particular angle?. Any advice would be welcome. Many thanks.

Terry. ;D

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by Shed_Boy on Mar 2^nd, 2005, 11:27am

Sorry. above size should be 8' X 6'...Ta

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by big_all on Mar 2^nd, 2005, 1:20pm

heeelllooo shed boy and welome ;D ;D ;D

you can actualy ediit your own post ---------------------------------/\up here/\

any way i am building my own shed [workshop] and suspect if you swop the the 3by2 sawn timber for 2by1 sawn timber at perhaps 18" centres and the 18mm ply for 12mm ply for the roof
other things to keep in mind the length of materials 2.4isnt 8ft its an inch and a half short so if you make your floor out of 8 by 4ft sheets and your cladding is 2.4 long youll need to reduce your base dy 40mm or so working on the principle youve got 2by1 treated on the corners to protect the end grain of your cladding

http://www.askthetrades.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=j;action=display;num=1107333976

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by Shed_Boy on Mar 2^nd, 2005, 2:15pm

Thanks for the link and the advice about the 2.4 lumber BA.

WOW! I'm only going to replace an old 8' X 6' that's already there no 'lectrics or anything. I am still worried about the angle at the apex to the roof trusses doesn't look like 45 degrees or is it?

thanks again..........Shed Boy

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by big_all on Mar 2^nd, 2005, 3:33pm

nah wouldn worry to much my pitch is about 18% or there about
i decided the pitch by deciding i had a ten foot span and to be ecenomical with the boards i would cut them down to 6ft to pad the floor out to 10ft with an overhang of 6 inches is it gave me the pitch without cutting the boards about a 24" rise over 10ft width just happend to be verry similar to my origional as it happens 8 by six shed
just draw a line on the patio 6ft wide take two battons about 5ft make shure the meet centuraly above the line decide if five inches is enough overlap then ajust the angle off your battons till you have enough enough angle and overlap at 4ft wide
or alternativly get or order 5by 10ft sheets from your timber yard then you will definatly have as much pitch and overhang as you want
with two sheet of exterior ply

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by Shed_Boy on Mar 3^rd, 2005, 9:10am

Ah!! so that's how you do it ;D

It's nice to have the knowledge......I'm definitley still learning.

Thanks BA.......Shed Boy

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by Jim on Mar 29^th, 2005, 8:56pm

Whatever size you are thinking about, at least treble it, you`ll be glad you did.
I started with a 8x6 shed, now I have this:

http://community.webshots.com/album/104184663eYyReF

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by Dewy on Mar 29^th, 2005, 11:01pm

Yep
I built an 8'x6' shed years ago but it was too small to do anything but store garden tools.
After pulling it down after many years of it rotting away I put up a 20'x10' garage which doubles as both workshop and garden tool store.
Those blasted garden tools get in the way too much so I will be making a shed for themselves so they dont keep nagging me to mow the lawn, prune the trees and shred the prunings etc.
No matter how large a workshop you have there is one constant rule.
You always manage to fill it with more tools so run out of space.
Welcome to the woodwork lark.
Keep it up long enough and you will have danish oil running through your viens. ;) ;D

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by HM on Mar 29^th, 2005, 11:11pm

wrote on Mar 29^th, 2005, 11:01pm:

Keep it up long enough and you will have danish oil running through your viens. ;) ;D

You just have to be very careful that it isn't varnish you get running thru your veins..... ;D

HM

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by dirtydeeds on Mar 29^th, 2005, 11:34pm

paint stripper is better but for the full effect i prefer beer

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by Dewy on Mar 29^th, 2005, 11:42pm

wrote on Mar 29^th, 2005, 11:11pm:

You just have to be very careful that it isn't varnish you get running thru your veins..... ;D

HM

Dont use the V word HM or a Wolf will be after your blood. lmao

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by HM on Mar 30^th, 2005, 4:16am

wrote on Mar 29^th, 2005, 11:42pm:

Dont use the V word HM or a Wolf will be after your blood. lmao

I knew there was a reason for using that dreaded word..... ;D

Got to keep him on his toes, he's only just come back from a long holiday away from these forums..... ;D

HM

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by Shed_Boy on Apr 1^st, 2005, 3:14pm

Nice One Jim.
Dewy and HM, I see where you're coming from but I am intending using part of my garage as a workshop. (Building a workbench is my first project actually). So I really do just want to replace my old existing shed.

Thanks all for your interest.......Terry. :)

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by CWatters on Apr 10^th, 2005, 7:09pm

wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2005, 11:25am:

Hello All.
I am contemplating building a simple garden shed of about 8' X 4'. Any pitfalls I should look out for? Terry. ;D

Check you don't need planning permission! You should be ok if you aren't in a conservation area and your shed isn't close to the house next door.

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by Shed_Boy on Apr 15^th, 2005, 1:57pm

Thanks for the warning CW but I am only replacing an existing 8' X 6' shed. I don't think I need planning permission.............do I? ???

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by WOLF on Apr 15^th, 2005, 4:12pm

Not if replacing a like for like, in both floor plan, and overall height!!!!

bloody V**nish indeed.... you guys are definately cheeky!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by big_all on Apr 15^th, 2005, 5:58pm

wrote on Apr 15^th, 2005, 1:57pm:

Thanks for the warning CW but I am only replacing an existing 8' X 6' shed. I don't think I need planning permission.............do I? ???

look at this part it contains the comments when i checked with my planning department
http://www.askthetrades.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=j;action=display;num=1107333976;start=30

hope it helps

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by woodsmith on Apr 15^th, 2005, 9:32pm

I want to put a shed at the bottom of the garden so I wrote to the council to ask if I need permission, trouble is my house is listed so I always have to ask.

I kept well within the rules with size etc. Now they have written; I don't need Listed Building consent but I need full planning permission because the house is listed :-/

Five lots of plans, sample materials and £135, to put up a shed >:( >:(

And it will take up to 12 weeks, I'm not very happy and might not bother.

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by Dewy on Apr 15^th, 2005, 9:40pm

You could always do what my grandparents next door neighbour did many years ago Keith.
He wanted a small wooden shed to store his gardening tools in plus a small bench with a vice to do a little woodwork.
In those days you needed planning permission for anything you did.
He was refused so put the shed up anyway and applied retrospectively.
They turned him down again.
He then nailed small wooden wheels on each corner and said it was a temporary building as it was mobile.
As anyone else could keep a caravan on their drive ready for holidays his shed counted the same so the council were powerless to make him remove it.

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by woodsmith on Apr 15^th, 2005, 9:50pm

Dewy I am way ahead of you, when I got the letter from the council I was a little peeeeved and gave them a call.

Told them I would put wheels on it and move it round the garden, but it would appear that is not allowed either. We have very restictive covenants which I am already breaking by using the stables as a workshop and parking a comercial vehicle on the property :o.

Not too wise to upset them even more than I already have.

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by Shed_Boy on Apr 18^th, 2005, 2:41pm

Hello All,

I have spoken to Bexley Council and after many questions.......It is, and I quote, "Unlikely that I will require planning permission". So that's a definite maybe then???? ??? ??? ???

Cheers......Terry.

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by CWatters on Apr 18^th, 2005, 7:51pm

You could always ask for a "Lawful Development Certificate"...

http://www.bexley.gov.uk/service/planning/build.html#permission

PS: I never knew so much happened in Bexley...

http://www.bexley.gov.uk/about/emergencies/

Quote:

".... between 1988 and April 1989 the following disasters occurred:

Piper Alpha oil platform fire
The Lockerbie Disaster
The Clapham rail crash
The Kegworth air accident; and
The Hillsborough football stadium tragedy"

Yikes, what a dangerous place to live.

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by WOLF on Apr 18^th, 2005, 8:59pm

SHED-BOY... how did you bribe at the mental home council!??!? to get such a straight answer! all we have ever got is a different bod each time , as well as at site visit time.... so bloody damned impossible to deal with!!!
that i try not to do anymore work in that area, if i have to deal with the loony brigade!!!!! ??? >:( :( :o ;D

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by Shed_Boy on Apr 19^th, 2005, 12:08pm

wrote on Apr 18^th, 2005, 8:59pm:

Hello Wolf,

The lady at the council asked me for the sizes in metric. I told her that I was 55 years old and didn't speak European and I think she felt sorry for me. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by WOLF on Apr 19^th, 2005, 3:59pm

OH YES... I like your style!!... EUROPEAN!! absolutley LOVE IT!!!! straight out of my book!!!!!LOL
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Garden Shed
Post by CWatters on Apr 19^th, 2005, 4:27pm

Should have asked for a liquor license for your shed while you were there.