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Title: Painting bare walls
Post by new_boy on Jun 27^th, 2006, 11:51pm

I am re-decorating my kitchen and the wallpaper has been stripped, and the holes filled.
I intend to paint directly onto the bare plaster, which is in good condition.rather than re-paper.
should i do anything to the walls before painting them.
i want to use a satin finish emulsion if possible

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by Twobarrows on Jun 28^th, 2006, 3:12am

Thin the first coat (no more than 10%) with water. Read the instructions on the can - thoroughly.
You can get special paints for bathrooms / kitchens that withstand moisture better & are washable.
Good luck

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by hamilton on Jun 28^th, 2006, 4:59pm

When you have finished the making good and rubbed it down, it's worthwhile touching it up with some matt emulsion and letting it dry before applying the silk emulsion. A satin or silk emulsion will tend to highlight any imperfections, so make sure you make a good job of the preparation. (filler tends to show through silk emulsion, thats why I said touch it up with matt).

The kitchen and bathroom paint that Twobarrows mentions, is essentially acrylic eggshell.

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by WOLF on Jun 28^th, 2006, 11:18pm

Quote:

filler tends to show through silk emulsion, thats why I said touch it up with "MATT").

i have nothing to do with this!!!! >:( >:(

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by corablimey on Jun 29^th, 2006, 7:53am

wrote on Jun 28^th, 2006, 4:59pm:

I second that. :)

Not only does filler show through silk, but can show through matt also, unless like hamilton says you 'spot the filler', whack some paint paint on the filled bits with a brush a couple of times, before you roll, cause if you have biggish lumps of filler the roller can lift the filler when rolled directly on it, and will make a right mess of your roller.

What I do when I have big lumps of filled areas, is I whack a bit of diluted PVA on them, then I spot it, then I roll, this seals this filled bits and prevents the filler from crumbling, as it did happen in the past, so I make sure it never happens again lol.

I know people swear by silk or soft sheen for kitchens, but I never use it, I have always used matt, unless its for a client and they want silk etc.
I think silk is horrible, it shows up every lump,and indents, and unless you have a pukka smooth walls it can look awful.

I buy a good quality Matt, like Dulux, they have one out that has teflon in it, I forget what its called, but apparently its 10 times stronger and better, and its wipeable, and dont fade the paint after you have wiped it.
Infact all Dulux matt is wipeable now, but this one is the Bees knees, costs a few bob more, but well worth it.

Baby wipes or wet wipes are great for getting marks off your freshly painted walls. :)

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by hamilton on Jun 29^th, 2006, 9:45am

Now Cora has mentioned it, silk emulsion does look a bit naff on walls. It's OK on a textured paper because it highlights the texture, but it tends to look a bit 'clinical'.

Matt looks better.

(No, not you Wolfie, calm down). ;)

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by WOLF on Jun 29^th, 2006, 2:46pm

Cora, the Dulux with the teflon has a label saying TOUGHGUARD on it!!!! ( just had to buy some at clients request!!!! GAWD!!)

and Hammy i am calm, you may not be .... check out your apprentices, trade paint page!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by scotspark on Jun 29^th, 2006, 10:45pm

when my mate did my kitchen he used matt emulsion but glazed it or something so that it was hardwearing and could be wwiped down etc

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by hamilton on Jun 29^th, 2006, 11:41pm

Matt or shiny glaze Scotty?

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by scotspark on Jun 29^th, 2006, 11:44pm

matt

he did the same/ something similar when he did my new built in wardrobes (MDF) painted them with matt paint (emulsion i think but not sure) then coted them with something and still left a matt finish

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by Twobarrows on Jun 30^th, 2006, 1:31am

Sounds like fresh air, how much extra did he charge? :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by scotspark on Jun 30^th, 2006, 1:36am

hee haw he's a mate he charges me nowt and when i do his leccy work i charge him nowt ;D

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by corablimey on Jun 30^th, 2006, 7:10am

wrote on Jun 29^th, 2006, 11:44pm:

He probably used a Matt clear varnish , Whenever I have painted MDF wardrobes, I have always used oil-based undercoat, and the top coats either eggshell, or satinwood,all oil-based, this also gives it extra protection, from the undercoat through to the topcoat, and it gives it a really nice finish.

I have on occasion, cause client bought it, the paint made for MDF, but to me the finish wasnt as nice.

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by hamilton on Jun 30^th, 2006, 9:17pm

Come on Cora, you need one more post for a century. :)

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by corablimey on Jul 1^st, 2006, 8:24pm

Just read your message hammy, didnt realise how many posts I had, :) how many do I have to have before I lose the newbie title.

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by JerryD on Jul 1^st, 2006, 8:27pm

3000

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by new_boy on Jul 1^st, 2006, 9:56pm

Thanks for all your tips guys. there isnt really any large holes to fill just nail holes and general knocks in the plaster, I will seal all the walls with pva before painting, i will be using a soft sheen finish. Not all your cup of tea but its what I prefer

thanks again for your help

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by corablimey on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 10:02am

There is no need to seal the walls with PVA, even if it was brand new plaster, people are under the conception that you must PVA new plaster all the time, you dont.

if you have taken the paper off and its down to bare plaster, the chances are the walls have already been sealed, or even sized prior to papering.

all you need to do is your prep etc, and use a thinish coat as your first coat, then paint your further coats as normal.

I'm sure Hammy will agree with that. :)

I only PVA big lumps of filler like I said before, I never PVA new plaster, I use a matt paint as a miscoat, and vinyl matt if its only a skim new plaster, but in your case old plaster, I would just do what I said above. :)

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by hamilton on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 1:13pm

Bang on Cora. ;D

Title: Re: Painting bare walls
Post by new_boy on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 8:44pm

Thanks for that Cora, its one less job to clean up after lol