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mercedesjb GDPR opt-out	water hammer Oct 8^th, 2006, 10:27am i get water hammer really badly only when i turn on the cold tap in the downstairs bathroom. is there a technique for getting rid of the trapped air - by bleeding etc?
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Re: water hammer
Reply #1 - Oct 8^th, 2006, 1:38pm

heeelllooo mercedesjb Cheesy

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waterhamers can also be caused by ball valves pulsing[dont know the proper term Roll Eyes

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basicly what happens

you turn on the tap the float rises slightly causes a ripple you then shut the tap off the pressure then pushes the float down causing a second wave this causes the float to oscilate causing more waves ect

a solution is find the offending float and if its metal bend it slightly off centre to slightly increase the friction

you can also try things like slightly adjusting the water level screw on the float adding a few ounces to the float arm
basicly anything that breaks the rythm Grin

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thescruff Global Moderator Trade Member Author Offline Who said plumbing was easy. Posts: 6037 Total Thanks: 147 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Plumber	Re: water hammer Reply #2 - Oct 8^th, 2006, 9:34pm Think you will find he means a quarter turn basin tap thats connected to the mains. Try reducing the flow at the stopcock slightly and clip any pipes that not, especially plastic ones.
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Reply #3 - Oct 9^th, 2006, 6:46pm

While on the subject of 'water hammer' please help me with this one

My mums bungerlow has one stopcock outside that feeds the bathroom, kitchen
and seperate toilet with a basin,(no internal stopcock)

Since having the kitchen taps replaced with ceramic leaver taps,
she has been experiencing 'water hammer' when any of the taps are turned on or the toilets
flushed

I have tried juggling with the stopcock and the 'ballafix' valves
What shall I try next please?

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thescruff Global Moderator Trade Member Author Offline Who said plumbing was easy. Posts: 6037 Total Thanks: 147 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Plumber	Re: water hammer Reply #4 - Oct 9^th, 2006, 7:49pm Lever taps will always be more prone than normal taps because they shut off quick, which in turn shocks the water. if you tried turning them off slowly they should be ok. Any unclipped pipes will make the situation worse, the task is to find them. behind the units is a good place to start, followed by any risers to above (ducts).
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sparky415 Trade Member Offline Its more complicated than I first thought Posts: 679 Total Thanks: 0 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: water hammer Reply #5 - Oct 9^th, 2006, 9:29pm Scruff, It is doing it with all three cold taps, also if more than one tap is used at a time (only the kitchen taps have been changed for levers) I haven’t checked for unclipped pipes but they have lived there for years and its not happened before and I don’t think anything else has been changed Sparky415
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thescruff Global Moderator Trade Member Author Offline Who said plumbing was easy. Posts: 6037 Total Thanks: 147 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Plumber	Re: water hammer Reply #6 - Oct 9^th, 2006, 10:23pm Does it do it all the time or just when you turn the taps off quick. I would still look under and around the sink unit for plastic pipes just slung in by your average kitchen fitter. Is the banging just a single bang when you shut the taps down or a continous bang all the time your using the tap.
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sparky415 Trade Member Offline Its more complicated than I first thought Posts: 679 Total Thanks: 0 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: water hammer Reply #7 - Oct 9^th, 2006, 10:54pm Mercedes, Sorry to hijack your thread Scruff, It does it all the time the taps are running, The pipes are all copper with Yorkshire fittings mostly through walls or up from the solid floor A continuous banging/humming/buzzing noise
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thescruff Global Moderator Trade Member Author Offline Who said plumbing was easy. Posts: 6037 Total Thanks: 147 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Plumber	Re: water hammer Reply #8 - Oct 9^th, 2006, 11:12pm Ok so something has come loose, most likely the jumper in the stopcock. Silly question has she got a water meter.
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sparky415 Trade Member Offline Its more complicated than I first thought Posts: 679 Total Thanks: 0 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: water hammer Reply #9 - Oct 10^th, 2006, 6:43am The stopcock was new last year I will ask her tonight but I don’t thinks shes on a water meter The jumper? Can I get her to knit a new one?
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sparky415 Trade Member Offline Its more complicated than I first thought Posts: 679 Total Thanks: 0 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: water hammer Reply #10 - Oct 15^th, 2006, 9:32pm Scruff No She doesn’t have a water meter What’s a Jumper? Sparky415
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thescruff Global Moderator Trade Member Author Offline Who said plumbing was easy. Posts: 6037 Total Thanks: 147 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Plumber	Re: water hammer Reply #11 - Oct 16^th, 2006, 10:47pm The jumper is the brass bit that holds the washer. Some stopcocks the jumper is fixed and some are loose (older type) if you take the valve to bits andthe brass bit fall out, then tap the end of the spindle with a hammer so its a tight fit
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sparky415 Trade Member Offline Its more complicated than I first thought Posts: 679 Total Thanks: 0 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: water hammer Reply #12 - Oct 16^th, 2006, 10:58pm Scruff, The stopcock is outside, It was replaced by the water board last year Its one with a blue plastic tap/handle on top (its about 18” underground in a narrow hole) Is it fixable without digging up do you think? Do you often pass Oxford with your hammer? Sparky415
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thescruff Global Moderator Trade Member Author Offline Who said plumbing was easy. Posts: 6037 Total Thanks: 147 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Plumber	Re: water hammer Reply #13 - Oct 16^th, 2006, 11:06pm If its a blue plastic one then that isn't the problem Back to the lever taps or unclipped pipes
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sparky415 Trade Member Offline Its more complicated than I first thought Posts: 679 Total Thanks: 0 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: water hammer Reply #14 - Oct 16^th, 2006, 11:16pm Thanks Scruff S
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sparky415 Trade Member Offline Its more complicated than I first thought Posts: 679 Total Thanks: 0 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: water hammer Reply #15 - Oct 20^th, 2006, 6:43pm Scruff, She had the plumber that fitted the leaver taps come back He fixed it by changing the washer in the tap It confused me as all the cold taps made the noise appear (and I thought electric was confusing sometimes) Thanks for your help Sparky415
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thescruff Global Moderator Trade Member Author Offline Who said plumbing was easy. Posts: 6037 Total Thanks: 147 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Plumber	Re: water hammer Reply #16 - Oct 21^st, 2006, 11:10am Its usually something simple, but good to know they got it sorted.
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