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Fire/smoke alarm for workshop
Jul 27th, 2008, 9:30pm
 
I would like to fit a fire/smoke alarm to my relatively dusty workshop. I only need a relatively simple system as it is a relatively small workshop and there are only two of us working at any time.

I would need about 4 detectors and an external sounder.

Does anyone know of a decent system, not too expensive?

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Re: Fire/smoke alarm for workshop
Reply #1 - Jul 28th, 2008, 7:03am
 
For a dusty environment you would be looking more at heat detectors for a simple system.  However, there is little point using heat detectors to protect people in the workshop, as they will feel the heat too!  It would however protect people in adjacent rooms, or above.

Is this a workshop attached to a house or similar?  A simple mains interlinked heat/smoke system is likely all you need.

If you want an external sounder, you would then need to look to go for a simple system - cheap budget ones are available from SF.
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Re: Fire/smoke alarm for workshop
Reply #2 - Jul 28th, 2008, 8:14am
 
I'm looking to try to protect the workshop rather than anyone working in it! Grin

It's about 5m from the house and well insulated and I wouldn't be able to hear any internal sounders once I shut the doors. I need something that will give me an external warning, should I get a smouldering in the woodpile.

The 2-zone alarm at SF is £425, and looks far to complicated for what I need, plus I'd like to get something cheaper.
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Reply #3 - Jul 28th, 2008, 3:50pm
 
Install linked alarms Woodlice and add an extra alarm, in the house. I think you will hear it OK then. Quiet easy to install as well.
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Re: Fire/smoke alarm for workshop
Reply #4 - Jul 28th, 2008, 4:51pm
 
If you are looking to protect property and not life, you need a quick acting firealarm, and in a dusty environment you would struggle price wise with this.

You would be best to just use some AICO Easyfit mains interlinked.

Decide if you would be happy with the slight delay of heats in the workshop, or the annoyance of possible false alarms with smokes (and the need to possibly clean them out all the time!).

I would put some heats in the workshop and a couple smokes in the house.  Use some three core 1.5mm SWA if required between the two buildings.

You can get radio bases for the AICO easyfit, and this would negate alot of the interlink wiring, just having to provide a mains feed to each detector.

SF dont do the Easyfit range I do no tthink.
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Re: Fire/smoke alarm for workshop
Reply #5 - Jul 28th, 2008, 6:34pm
 
Thanks for the replies,

I would have used linked alarms but I can't run power between the workshop and the house; listed building and walls 2ft thick. Plus I have the conservation officer breathing down my neck at the moment. Which I why I thought fitting a sounder outside the workshop would be the best option.

I thought a simple control box with a couple of zones and an external sounder would be ideal. Perhaps I could use linked alarms and a relay to switch the sounder?
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Reply #6 - Jul 28th, 2008, 7:04pm
 
Can't really see a problem Woodlice with running a cable between the two.

OK so it's Listed (II I assume) and has Cob walls (I assume), very nice may I add. But you would NOT be taking the cross link through the wall. Surely you could run a small catenary to the eves then run under the eves into the house.

Maybe the conservation may object but is he is anything like the conservation chaps and building regs and fire officer sI have met when working on listed (I and II) thatched homes they are thankful for ANYTHING that means they can get to a house like yours ASAP. I was working on a listed II thatched home once and tripped the incoming RCD this caused the alarm to set off, the fire brigade were there literally with 3 minutes - and the house was in the middle of nowhere out in the country.
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Re: Fire/smoke alarm for workshop
Reply #7 - Jul 28th, 2008, 10:40pm
 
if you use the aico easy fit with a wireless base in the house and one in the workshop you wont need an interlink cable
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Re: Fire/smoke alarm for workshop
Reply #8 - Jul 29th, 2008, 7:42am
 
Ray the house is stone and brick, but the ceilings in the rooms nearest to the workshop are vaulted and so I have nowhere to run cables. Plus a small catenary  Shocked oh yes I'd get permission for that   Grin

The fire brigade want new build in the village to have sprinklers because their response time is about an hour; part timers on call out.

Scotspark, wireless doesn't work well here, perhaps the thickness of the walls  is the problem.

I've seen a burglar alarm with two fire zones, perhaps that is the way forward.

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Reply #9 - Jul 29th, 2008, 8:03am
 
Ah well Woodlice looks a bleeding great big siren or klaxon on the outer wall of the shed, hope you have considerate neighbours.

As for catenary used in listed buildings - the thatched I worked on the supply to an oak office in the garden was black SWA which ran up the lovely white cob wall and into the house.

Fire brigade an hour away. Geez things are stacked up against you Woodlice.

OK, OK a cross linked alarm this time bring it underground and into the house dig up the kitchen floor. I know it's a stone floor and as a Listed Building cannot do that either.

The best option is to let the shed burn down and send the bill to replace it to the eejit that keeps telling you that you cannot do this and cannot do that.
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Re: Fire/smoke alarm for workshop
Reply #10 - Jul 29th, 2008, 8:32am
 
I don't think the neighbours would mind, if my workshop goes then so will both our houses.

The kitchen floor is oak, of course. Still not digging it up though Tongue

If you think I have it bad, some friends in the village are being forced to take out flues, windows etc because the builder, who did the barn conversion, didn't get permission to fit them. They can't claim against the builder as he is on the verge of bancrupcy so I'm told.
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Reply #11 - Jul 29th, 2008, 8:50am
 
Ah ya old softy Woodlice - rip up the oak floor run the cable and stick down a 'nice' bit of laminate  Tongue

Builders going 'bust' is the norm aint it? It is how they get out of their obligations and not pay their suppliers then start up again once they have spent their ill-gotten gains on extended holidays in the Carribean.

OK so it sounds like a klaxon then (excuse the pun) - just hope and pray that you do not get many false trips.

The Duplo fits the bill quite nicely Woodlice http://www.klaxonsignals.com/ind-specialist-pages/duplo.htm that should wake you up and the residents of Basingstoke at 127db  Grin
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Re: Fire/smoke alarm for workshop
Reply #12 - Jul 29th, 2008, 11:52am
 
Oh no that's not loud enough to wake me, you might hear it and give me a ring though Grin
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Re: Fire/smoke alarm for workshop
Reply #13 - Jul 29th, 2008, 12:01pm
 
Oh OK I will bring you a cuppa as well, is that with sugar with or without milk and do you want a biccy wth it?

Hold on a mo.... I have the answer.... I will live in your shed (free of rent of course) and use this http://www.northants.police.uk/museum_new/exhibits/11/siren.htm
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Re: Fire/smoke alarm for workshop
Reply #14 - Jul 29th, 2008, 2:22pm
 
No sugar for me, or Judith Wink

That's it then, you take up residence and become a FOOLS (Fire Officer Overseeing Loud Siren)  Grin
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Re: Fire/smoke alarm for workshop
Reply #15 - Jul 29th, 2008, 4:00pm
 
Great now ....

Salary is £380,000 per annum with a guaranteed annual bonus of £120,000.

The benefits package to include -

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Re: Fire/smoke alarm for workshop
Reply #16 - Jul 29th, 2008, 4:17pm
 
I would go for the aico with a couple RF bases.  I reckon you would be suprised who far they can be used - even with thick walls.

You can get relay bases for the aico too.  You could use this base to trigger a 240v siren or something if you wanted.  They also do a wall switch for test/silence.

It would not be to BS5839, but I don't think that is an issue for you....
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