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Is this a case of a 'Borrowed Neutral'?
Jan 22nd, 2009, 12:03pm
 
Hi guys. Last year l changed a light fitting for a friend. I isolated the circuit l was working on, which was the first floor lighting circuit, served by a MCB 6A Type B, leaving the ground floor lighting circuit on, which is a separate circuit also MCB 6A Type B.

Both of these circuits are protected by a 30mA RCD.

I noticed that whilst l was changing the fitting, the RCD kept tripping, whenever l touched certain conductors (l can't remember which, as it was last year), even though the circuit was isolated.

I presented this information to my tutor, who told me this wasn't possible if the circuit was isolated.

My question to all sparky's is: Could this have resulted because of a 'borrowed' neutral? I have read about them on HSE Website and would like to know if this is a possiblity with an explanation, if anyone is able. Thanks...  Roll Eyes
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Reply #1 - Jan 22nd, 2009, 2:33pm
 
An RCD can trip if you touch the neutral and earth cable together even if the MCB is off.
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Reply #2 - Jan 22nd, 2009, 5:13pm
 
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I presented this information to my tutor, who told me this wasn't possible if the circuit was isolated.


He is correct but the circuit you were working on wasn't isolated as you had only switched off the MCB.

For a circuit to be isolated both live and neutral need to be disconnected.
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Re: Is this a case of a 'Borrowed Neutral'?
Reply #3 - Jan 22nd, 2009, 6:18pm
 
squirrel wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009, 5:13pm:
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I presented this information to my tutor, who told me this wasn't possible if the circuit was isolated.


He is correct but the circuit you were working on wasn't isolated as you had only switched off the MCB.

For a circuit to be isolated both live and neutral need to be disconnected.




Unless it is a Three Phase circuit Wink

When working on circuits it is common to simply isolate the live via the fuse or MCB, and this is fine.  However, a truly isolated circuit will have the live and neutral isolated.

It is common for a shared RCD to trip when you short neutral and earth on any of the circuits.
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Reply #4 - Jan 23rd, 2009, 11:09am
 
Thanks for the assistance everyone. Very much appreciated and l dare say that ill be back with another question quite soon... Wink
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Reply #5 - Mar 13th, 2009, 7:01pm
 
sounds like your tutor needs some tutering lto me ol
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