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New install certification query
Oct 7^th, 2009, 7:34am

Hi Guys hope you can help, I am finishing off a self build and my mate who has been an electricians mate for 30 years did my installation and the local authority have done checks and certification. Everything is superb but they have said the installation is unsatisfactory for the following reason. I have an 18 way Merlin Gerin board and am using 14 circuits. The first is a dedicated cooker circuit which has passed all the tests along with the rest of them,but as I have a gas cooker I have not installed and MCBO as it was 30 quid and I have blanked it off with the other 4 unused circuits. they are quoting bs 7671 522.6.6 which I understand ,but are they being too fussy, do I need to protect a circuit not being used but which is otherwise sound ? comments gratefully received thanks

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CWatters Super Member Offline "Daddy fick it" says James Posts: 5150 Total Thanks: 58 For This Post: 0 Gender:	Re: New install certification query Reply #1 - Oct 7^th, 2009, 7:58am Is it connected to anything in the CU? For £30 is it worth arguing over?
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harveys dad Junior Member Offline Ask The Trades Posts: 16 Total Thanks: 0 For This Post: 0	Re: New install certification query Reply #2 - Oct 7^th, 2009, 3:21pm CW the pragmatist in me agrees but I have now spent so many 30 quids it is beginning to hurt, to be honest whilst the LA have agreed to do it that came from Building control,the electrical people were never happy about it and I think they are looking for anything to trip me up, no pun intended
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dingbat Trade Member Offline How hard can it be? Posts: 2822 Total Thanks: 2 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: New install certification query Reply #3 - Oct 8^th, 2009, 12:58pm I think this where you made your first mistake. harveys dad wrote on Oct 7^th, 2009, 7:34am: ...my mate who has been an electricians mate for 30 years did my installation...
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howlingdog GDPR opt-out Total Thanks: 2 For This Post: 0	Re: New install certification query Reply #4 - Oct 8^th, 2009, 6:49pm Bingbat is right on the money. Just get the thing compliant an all will be well.
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Reply #5 - Oct 8^th, 2009, 6:57pm

I just wish that only qualified electricians were let loose on electrical stuff. This part P crap is a mess. We should be like the gas boys. If not qualified...don't touch!!!! Or is our job so easy that anyone can do it?
I like to help when I can but if it come to complete re-wires etc I think a little common whatsit should be applied. Being a sparks mate is all fine and well but why not go all the way and become a spark? If one knows enough to install as a spark...
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Reply #6 - Oct 8^th, 2009, 8:19pm

dingbat wrote on Oct 8^th, 2009, 12:58pm:

I think this where you made your first mistake.

harveys dad wrote on Oct 7^th, 2009, 7:34am:

...my mate who has been an electricians mate for 30 years did my installation...

Yo "Bingbat" like the new name, I thought that exact same thing when reading the OP, 30 years is a long time to be a mate, i must say!!

Back to the OP, its only one more £30.00, alternatively, rip the circuit out if its not going to be used?

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Carl.

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Reply #7 - Oct 8^th, 2009, 9:34pm

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We should be like the gas boys. If not qualified...don't touch!!!!

Trouble is, the 'gas boys' are just as bad in some cases.

A great many do not carry out all the necessary tests when issuing gas safety certs. Most do not understand the bonding requirements and within their part of the industry I expect there are just as many complaints about barely-skilled monkeys being given credentials.

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dingbat Trade Member Offline How hard can it be? Posts: 2822 Total Thanks: 2 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: New install certification query Reply #8 - Oct 8^th, 2009, 9:35pm I think "Ba-da-Bing" Bat suits me!
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wozzy Trade Member Offline Ask The Trades Posts: 584 Total Thanks: 4 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: New install certification query Reply #9 - Oct 8^th, 2009, 10:22pm have i read this wrong? they want the five unused circuits RCBOd? you only have four spare ways. Couldnt the cables just be pulled out the fuseboard and shoved somewhere? what do you mean you blanked them off? im struggling with this one.
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Y3 GDPR opt-out Total Thanks: 4 For This Post: 0	Re: New install certification query Reply #10 - Oct 9^th, 2009, 7:53pm I think BC are going along the lines of that a circuit has been installed but could later be put into service with an MCB rather than an RCBO, so wouldn't comply and they have signed it off to say it does? Maybe I'm wrong but that's my theory! Ding, your version has a "ring a ding ding" to it! Regards Carl
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howlingdog GDPR opt-out Total Thanks: 4 For This Post: 0	Re: New install certification query Reply #11 - Oct 9^th, 2009, 8:04pm I hope my electrical work is better than my spelling... sorry about that Ding old chap... godgnilwoH
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Re: New install certification query
Reply #12 - Oct 16^th, 2009, 8:21pm

how about this view.

you dont install protection now but will want to energise that at some point, lets say 10 years.

now your 30 quid rcbo is 100 quid or worse still and you have to change the whole board!
If you want to energise a dead circuit in the future you will need a spark to test it first wheras if it is live and ready now then you just do the final connection and all is good.

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