Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
Welcome To Ask The Trades!
Jan 28th, 2026, 6:21pm
Quote: A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer.


Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
magnetic scale reducer covered up? (Read 7828 times)
birty
Trade Member
*****
Offline


Posts: 90


Total Thanks: 0
For This Post: 0


Gender: male

Trade: Electrician



magnetic scale reducer covered up?
Nov 4th, 2011, 2:24pm
 
[size=12]Hi all
Have an inline 15mm magnetic scale reducer from PTS' tradesave' fitted to mains water in too boiler. Its just above the boiler (baxi duo tec combi) and need to box in the pipework. Should this gizmo be replaced on a regular basis or can it be boxed in and forgot about??
Suggestions please?? Huh
[/size]
Back to top
 
Thank User For This Post View members image gallery  
IP Logged
 
thescruff
Global Moderator
Trade Member
Author
*****
Offline

Who said plumbing was
easy.
Posts: 6037


Total Thanks: 147
For This Post: 0


Gender: male

Trade: Plumber



Re: magnetic scale reducer covered up?
Reply #1 - Nov 4th, 2011, 4:04pm
 
Make and model is.
Back to top
 
Thank User For This Post View members image gallery  
IP Logged
 
CWatters
Super Member
*****
Offline

"Daddy fick it" says James

Posts: 5150


Total Thanks: 58
For This Post: 0


Gender: male

Re: magnetic scale reducer covered up?
Reply #2 - Nov 4th, 2011, 9:08pm
 
Some would suggest taking it off and getting your money back Smiley

There have been very few proper scientific studies on the effectiveness of magnetic water softners. As far as I can tell there is no scientific reason to think magnets might work let alone really good evidence they do...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_water_treatment

Quote:
Most scientific studies[6] do not support these claims and suggest that magnetic water treatment may be ineffective. Certainly many, perhaps most claims for small domestic apparatus may be pseudoscientific because the magnetic field, if it works at all, would have to be very powerful, and this high flux is not easily achieved in a small space.


Quote:
Scientific and engineering studies generally refute the effectiveness of the method, finding no differences not attributable to other causes between systems with and without a magnetic water treatment device, and no theoretical basis to expect that there might be. Vendors frequently use pictures and testimonials to support their claims, but omit quantitative detail and well-controlled studies.


The only exception to this is the use of magnets to remove sludge from central heating systems. There is a scientific reason why they might work in that application and that's because some of ithe sludge is "rust" from the inside of iron/steel rads.  
Back to top
« Last Edit: Nov 4th, 2011, 9:09pm by CWatters »  
Thank User For This Post View members image gallery  
IP Logged
 
birty
Trade Member
*****
Offline


Posts: 90


Total Thanks: 0
For This Post: 0


Gender: male

Trade: Electrician



Re: magnetic scale reducer covered up?
Reply #3 - Nov 6th, 2011, 5:56pm
 
Make-Only label on there is as i said above..
Was thinking about a full blown softner at intake but unsure which one..Are they expensive to run- ie change the stuff inside them???
But the question still stands- can i leave it in and cover it up???
Back to top
 
Thank User For This Post View members image gallery  
IP Logged
 
thescruff
Global Moderator
Trade Member
Author
*****
Offline

Who said plumbing was
easy.
Posts: 6037


Total Thanks: 147
For This Post: 0


Gender: male

Trade: Plumber



Re: magnetic scale reducer covered up?
Reply #4 - Nov 6th, 2011, 9:19pm
 
If it's just the clip on thing then just cover it up it, doesn't do anything..

Back to top
 
Thank User For This Post View members image gallery  
IP Logged
 
CWatters
Super Member
*****
Offline

"Daddy fick it" says James

Posts: 5150


Total Thanks: 58
For This Post: 0


Gender: male

Re: magnetic scale reducer covered up?
Reply #5 - Nov 7th, 2011, 8:57am
 
birty wrote on Nov 6th, 2011, 5:56pm:
Was thinking about a full blown softner at intake but unsure which one..Are they expensive to run- ie change the stuff inside them???


They use salt in the process and it might be necessary replumb so that unsoftened water is still available at the kitchen sink.

Running costs are quoted here as 15-30p a day depending on the hardness of the water and volume used.

http://www.uk-water-softeners.co.uk/why-upgrade-your-water-softener/running-cost...



Back to top
 
Thank User For This Post View members image gallery  
IP Logged
 
birty
Trade Member
*****
Offline


Posts: 90


Total Thanks: 0
For This Post: 0


Gender: male

Trade: Electrician



Re: magnetic scale reducer covered up?
Reply #6 - Nov 7th, 2011, 6:30pm
 
Its an inline sealed unit- not a clip on one...   No wires- nowt!! Just an inline cylinder about 20mm diameter and 150mm long.. (Wish i could post a pic but looks a bit complicated-Doh)

Whats the reason for still requiring hard water at the kitchen sink??
Back to top
 
Thank User For This Post View members image gallery  
IP Logged
 
thescruff
Global Moderator
Trade Member
Author
*****
Offline

Who said plumbing was
easy.
Posts: 6037


Total Thanks: 147
For This Post: 0


Gender: male

Trade: Plumber



Re: magnetic scale reducer covered up?
Reply #7 - Nov 7th, 2011, 11:28pm
 
It's actually a water reg, and softened water is not good to drink, especially babies.
Back to top
 
Thank User For This Post View members image gallery  
IP Logged
 
CWatters
Super Member
*****
Offline

"Daddy fick it" says James

Posts: 5150


Total Thanks: 58
For This Post: 0


Gender: male

Re: magnetic scale reducer covered up?
Reply #8 - Nov 7th, 2011, 11:28pm
 
Conventional water softners use salt to remove the calcium and magnesium that causes the water to be hard but this does make the water slightly salty. Not great for making tea or people with a heart condition who need to be on a low sodium diet. So normally the kitchen tap is left hard.
Back to top
 
Thank User For This Post View members image gallery  
IP Logged
 
birty
Trade Member
*****
Offline


Posts: 90


Total Thanks: 0
For This Post: 0


Gender: male

Trade: Electrician



Re: magnetic scale reducer covered up?
Reply #9 - Nov 14th, 2011, 7:38am
 
Probanly rules out a softener cos difficult to re plumb the kitchen straight off the mains.  Cheers for advice once again,,,,
Back to top
 
Thank User For This Post View members image gallery  
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print