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Dry Mix
May 22nd, 2005, 9:31am
 
Hi, all

I have been told I need to mix up a "semi dry mix" of concrete to lay a quadrant shower base  onto some marine ply. The shower instructions say a sand:cement mix of 5:1.

What exactly is a "dry mix", or in my case a semi-dry-mix, how much water should i use & will it all stick together if its too dry,as the problem I can forsee is the concrete oozing out under the weight of the base.

Help!

many thanks

Chris
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Re: Dry Mix
Reply #1 - May 22nd, 2005, 10:58am
 
means mixing up your mix without adding water, hence dry mix  Grin

wet mix is your normal mix as before + water

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Re: Dry Mix
Reply #2 - May 22nd, 2005, 11:46am
 
I think what is required is a 'stiff mix' - get ready for aching arms when mixing Wink
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Re: Dry Mix
Reply #3 - May 22nd, 2005, 5:47pm
 
If you are mixing by hand then turn your sand and cement together dry firstly and then sprinkle water into the mix while continually turning the mix together so that you do not get very wet patches. It becomes a semi dry or screed mix when you can squeeze a fistfull in your hand and it will bind together rather than crumble away in the hand.
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Re: Dry Mix
Reply #4 - May 22nd, 2005, 7:11pm
 
A lot of the manufacturers of stone resin shower trays recommend using sand/cement or silicone to bed the tray down. I've used sand/cement once in 13 years and wasnt impressed, tray still moved and eventually the sand/cement cracked.

I tend to use silicone when the floor is pretty much perfectly level or a rapid setting flexible cement based tile adhesive when the floor is far out. I know a lot of guys that use a few tubes of building adhesive and they never have problems either.
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Re: Dry Mix
Reply #5 - May 22nd, 2005, 10:05pm
 
Thanks for the replies, much appreciated.

At least now I know what sort of consistency I should be aiming for.

The surface I am laying this on is very level (marine ply), so doesnt really need concrete to level it, BUT the instuctions say i MUST bed it on concrete Angry

I did wonder about silicon, although the stuff I have used around the bath is flexible & I can sort of imagine the tray wobbling about on it (maybe)  Shocked

Adheasive sounds like a possible option, got any recommendations?

All I really want to do is secure it firmly & make sure it never moves!!!

Cheers!

Chris (first & last time I fit a shower!)  Grin
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Re: Dry Mix
Reply #6 - May 22nd, 2005, 10:14pm
 
Does it say 'concrete'??

Usually you bed a tray on mortar.

You can bed it on what you like but the warranty will only cover you if you've followed the instructions.

It has to be bedded to compensate for minor imperfections in the floor and the tray.

I've done loads of them on mortar, never had a problem, make the mortar soft enough to allow the tray to be tapped level all round.  If it's too stiff it won't bed down, so use a similar consistency to bricklaying mortar.

When it's bedded and levelled, walk away and leave it for minimum 24 hours.
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Re: Dry Mix
Reply #7 - May 22nd, 2005, 10:18pm
 
I would lay the tray in position 'dry' and then check for level.

If it is very near perfect then use silicone, small blobs all over base and a line onto bottom of sides.

The manufacturers can be misleading in their advice and will always find fault with your installation techniques to invalidate the warranty. I've been fitting stone resin for many years now and know a lot of Bathroom fitters that practise in the same ways I do, we are all domestic installers who wouldnt dream of site work and have never had a problem fitting in this way.

To me using sand /cement as a fixing method is a joke, how can it possibly stand up to the daily usage that it's put under?

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Re: Dry Mix
Reply #8 - May 22nd, 2005, 10:26pm
 
No offence to your methods JerryD!! Smiley

Just really didnt work for me.
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Re: Dry Mix
Reply #9 - May 22nd, 2005, 10:55pm
 
LOL!

"My method"  ???  It's not my idea  Grin

Mortar on chipboard or ply?  Bloody daft if you ask me.

It's those damn instructions though...............

If the tray cracks and it's not installed as per manufacturers instructions then the cost of replacement is all down to you  Shocked

Imagine a fully tiled luxury bathroom with fully fitted shower enclosure etc etc....... and the tray cracks  Shocked  If it's installed as per instructions then it's either the manufacturer or the customer who pays, not me.

If the rep sees it's on silicone or some other 'non approved' method then there will be a sharp intake of breath  "Oooooooo deeeeeeeer, it doesn't seem to be bedded on sand/cement.  Sorry guys but it's not a manufacturing fault, it's an installation fault"

Installer --------------------->  Embarrassed Cry


lol  Cheesy
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Re: Dry Mix
Reply #10 - May 22nd, 2005, 11:04pm
 
I take your point Jerry. Anyway I cant stay up all night chatting I've got a busy week ahead of me removing cracked shower trays!!  Wink

By the way, a lot of manufacturers do say bed on silicone.......god I am an old woman!
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Re: Dry Mix
Reply #11 - May 22nd, 2005, 11:10pm
 
Just go to bed and stop fretting  Wink

lol  Grin

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