Hi chaps ,i was wondering if anyone on here could help me out.Im doing some electrical work for a customer(student accomadation)but hes asked for internet connections in every bedroom and lounge, a total of 10 rooms.Hes not got a current internet service and wants me to install the networking from each room down to a central point in the cellar.So my question is what equipment will i require and is it easy to install/setup and what price would you suggest for this part of the job,any input would be appreciated,thanks.

thanks for the reply plugwash,just wondering if any of the equipment you mentioned on the internet connection side is suitable for fixing to the wall of the cellar or will i have to provide some sort of enclosure.the connection will be broadband cable so the ethernet router and network switch will be my path,any suggestions of make,are the ones that screwfix sell, suitable/any good?

once again thanks for the input plugwash,it seems to be an easier exercise than i first thought,kind regards jk

thanks for the reply lurch,am i right in thinking that if the internet connection is going to be broadband cable ,the asdl and filters wont apply as they are for dial up.

Wrong way round, the filters are for ADSL (broadband), you don't need them for dial-up.

What the filters do is filter the high frequency out from the analogues devices. The main line comes into the house and each and every analogue device, (phones, digiboxes, intruder alarms, faxes etc...), needs a filter between it and the incoming line.

As mentioned above, there are 2 ways of doing it, either at each individual point at which a device is plugged in or centrally at the NTE so all extension wiring after it is filtered, so thus all devices are filtered from a fixed unit rather than having loads of dangly bits everywhere.

The ADSL mosem doesn't need a filter and is connected directly to the incoming line. Most people use the filters to connect the ADSL modem to the line as it also incorporates the BT plug to RJ11 socket adaptor required for the RJ11 - RJ11 lead supplied with the modem. I usually make all my leads custom to the situation rather than usoing adapters.

If the ADSL modem is the only thing on the line then no filters are required.

EDIT: Having said that, there are 3 types of internet connection commonly used in the UK, dial-up, ADSL broadband and cable broadband.

The filters are to be used when ADSL broadband is supplied, i.e. broadband via a BT line.

They are not required when using dial-up or cable broadband as dial-up uses an analogue device, (modem), and cable broadband is supplied as a seperate service to the phone line.

The filters are used on ADSL as the different services are supplied over one pair of cables so different frequencies are used and the filters seperate these frequencies so that the ADSL doesn't affect the phones.

[quote author=scotspark  link=1118664058/0#7 date=1118693250]broadband is adsl so the filters do apply [/quote]

Technically not, broadband can be ADSL or cable.

Once again thanks for the info guys been very helpful,this was not a direction i wanted to just yet,but i suppose that i will get asked more and more so nows the time to learn.if you dont  mind lurch ,could you donate just one more post,and list the equipment that i need to source(cos you sound like you have done this before,no disrespect to plugwash as he sounded very knowledgable as well).i've been informed that the internet connection will be ntl broadband (so cable).

cheers for taking the time mate ,im doing the job  week after next, alongside the rewire im doing so if ive got time ill re post and let you how your advice worked in practice ,but i quite confident.thanks JK.

[quote author=CWatters  link=1118664058/0#13 date=1118698384]That assumes the owner has a told NTL he's sharing the internet connection and will be billed accordingly (he probably has). Watch out for people who intend sharing a single domestic Internet connection (like I do). They might be better of using a Router in the lan cabinet. [/quote]
Yes, my list assumes you will leave the setting up of the actual connection to someone else and that they will provide a router. The list will just get a single network connection in each room connected to a network point in the cab for someone else to plug a router into.

Another thing to consider is how trusting will these students be of each other? Connecting directly to a central switch like this will leave any security holes in anyones laptops\pc's open to abuse from others on the netwok. To secure each of the points from each other will require some serious cash being outlayed on managed switches\vlans etc... If this is a concern then I'd not bother with the 10\100 switches as you're then sort of liable as you connected the points together.

Also, as above, avoiding the setting up of the connection means that it's not you that could get fingers pointed at if\when the ISP decides that the bill payer is in breach of contract.

[quote author=plugwash  link=1118664058/15#15 date=1118699160]maybe you can get packages hat give you multiple ips on a single cablemodem but i've never heared of them. [/quote]

Yes they are quite common. Some ISP still recommend home users install a switch/hub and allocate multiple IP's so they can charge for multiple accounts! But I agree a Router is a much better way to go for security and performance reasons. If you use a switch/hub you risk Windows broadcasting the existance of shared folders and shared printers to your neighbours.

The main problem with a router is who looks after it in a shared block of flats or similar. Some ISP (including NTL)will provide a Cisco router with as many ports as you need and manage it for you if you get the right business package.