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Freshly plastered walls
Oct 17th, 2008, 7:09am
 
I want to paper my freshly plastered walls, and paint the ceiling.  Papering to match the other room.

I was going to paint the walls with white emulsion, the first couple coats 50/50 with water.

Someone then told me to unibond instead?  Some people seem to love unibond!

What is best to do?
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Re: Freshly plastered walls
Reply #1 - Oct 17th, 2008, 10:26pm
 
Are you saying that you're going to paper the walls and then paint them?  Why?  Why not paint the plaster directly?  

And use Farrow and Ball paint...much much better than that crap DuluxCrown rubbish!

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Re: Freshly plastered walls
Reply #2 - Oct 18th, 2008, 7:04am
 
No, The adjoining room has a wall paper, so we are matching to that.
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Re: Freshly plastered walls
Reply #3 - Oct 18th, 2008, 11:03am
 
Might be worth checking with the paint manuf'r tech dept to see if there's any interaction.  I agree - some people love PVA.  I've used two plasterers ...one likes walls PVA'd first, the other hates it!
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Re: Freshly plastered walls
Reply #4 - Oct 19th, 2008, 6:36pm
 
No! Don't unibond the walls Lec, If you are going to finish in a patterned wallpaper just size the walls with a pissed out coat of wallpaper paste, let dry and stick the paper on.
If you are going to put lining paper on and paint it, don't bother, just paint the new plaster.

Unibond and similar has no place in decorating, plastering yes, not decorating.
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Re: Freshly plastered walls
Reply #5 - Oct 20th, 2008, 10:29am
 
Just as an add on; the idea of sizing walls prior to hanging paper is to stop any suction on the plaster. Without satisfying any suction, the paste on the wallpaper will go straight into the wall. This will make it very difficult to slide the paper into place and stop the paper sticking tight.

Unibond would tend to dry like a skin with a slight shine to it. If you are hanging a vinyl the paste has nowhere to go so takes ages to dry and can cause creases and bubbles.
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Re: Freshly plastered walls
Reply #6 - Oct 20th, 2008, 3:32pm
 
I wasn't sure if a white wall would be better with wall paper?  Whats it like removing paper from just a plastered wall?
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Reply #7 - Oct 20th, 2008, 4:51pm
 
For a good job you can always emulsion the wall before papering with a colour that matches the paper. That way any joints that don't quite meet and any manky trimming don't show up so much. Of course if you do this there is no need to size the walls.

Removing paper from plastered walls is no problem. You can buy steam strippers for about £30 which are perfectly adequate for the job.

Avoid Laura Ashley papers if you can, nice patterns but sh*t to put up; the joins in most cases always show.
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Re: Freshly plastered walls
Reply #8 - Oct 20th, 2008, 6:17pm
 
Thanks.

The paper is to match the lounge I did last year.  It is Superfresco Textured.  It is lovely to hang.  Very forgiving and easy to keep joins tight.

In fact, you cant see the joins at all.  Most folk come in and think it is a paint finish.  Thats good, as papering is kind of out!

The lounge walls where papered, and we stripped that, and it was a white-ish cream underneath.  We papered ontop of that.

I think I will give the walls a couple coats of watered down white emulsion and then paper ot top.
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Reply #9 - Oct 20th, 2008, 10:07pm
 
Superfresco, I think that's Graham and Brown, goes up a treat.  Smiley
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Re: Freshly plastered walls
Reply #10 - Dec 7th, 2008, 4:07pm
 
I was just about to start a new thread to ask a couple of questions about covering fresh plaster, but I see one is under way. However, it doesn't quite answer what I need to know.

I'm shortly looking at buying a house that needs loads doing to it including re-plastering everywhere. I don't want to paper everywhere as I like the look and feel of painted walls. A friend has just had some rooms skimmed in his house and I noticed that the plasterer didn't finish the walls to what I know as a "polished finish" that has a beautiful silky feel to it. (I don't know what the correct term is for this smooth, satiny type of finish). The walls were sanded down slightly once dried, before the decorator started.

If you're painting directly onto plaster, is this the usual finish that is given, or is it more likely, the decorator sanding out little blemishes left by the plasterer?

What is the best method for painting directly over fresh (but thoroughly dried) plaster? I've tried before and found that emulsion rollers on, but the water in the paint leaches into the plaster almost instantly, then the next time you roller over it seconds later, it flakes off onto the roller. Was I using the wrong paint? Should I have done other prep first?

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Re: Freshly plastered walls
Reply #11 - Dec 17th, 2008, 9:52pm
 
Sandy..know what you mean re ' the silky feel' but mind you, it can go too far and be over-trowelled at which point painting is a nightmare.  Don't understand why anyone would want to sand a wall down after replastering unless the plastering was truly crap.

Your comment re flaking is well made. I've also had this problem but only when rubbing/knocking the wall.  Farrow and Ball is the way to go, I reckon.
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Re: Freshly plastered walls
Reply #12 - Dec 19th, 2008, 7:38am
 
Fresh plaster should have a 50/50 coat of emulsion/water before going for the next coats.  Possibly even the second coat could do with being watered down.

If you don't do this you end up with a dry skin of paint which flakes and peels very easily.
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Reply #13 - Dec 20th, 2008, 2:21pm
 
So does the emulsion that goes in the 50/50 mix have to be anything special, or, is it just get cheap and cheerful to "seal/size" the plasterwork?

With the amount of plastering I'm considering on having done, my thought was to go to one of the sheds and buy a massive tub. Obviously then use a good quality paint to finish with.

Can anyone think of a reason why I couldn't use a High Volume/Low Pressure spray to apply the 50/50 emulsion coats? (Finishing with good paint, rollered on).

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Reply #14 - Dec 22nd, 2008, 10:57pm
 
I normally use the Wickes Contract paint, cheap as chips and covers really well. First coat is usually thinned with water as suggested above.
As for HVLP spraying, I have not tried it but I really want to. Have a look on You Tube for vids of people spraying, looks good.
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Re: Freshly plastered walls
Reply #15 - Dec 23rd, 2008, 7:22am
 
There is a company in my village that does spraying, both gloss and emulsions.

The finish is outstanding (no rollered top coat).  They spend the best part of the time masking off the areas, then seal the door, and then spray away.

Cant be a nice job!

The only thing is that any little dinks or knocks are never going to fill and and touch up cleanly - they will always be noticeable.

As for spraying the base coats and then rollering the top, this sounds a great idea.
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Re: Freshly plastered walls
Reply #16 - Dec 26th, 2008, 7:57pm
 
I used this stuff when I did my kitchen -

http://www.dulux.co.uk/products/info/plaster_sealer.jsp

No real idea as to how good it was. I had the 1st metre from the floor rendered. The render mix had some Cementone No2 & PVA added before application. Above 1 mtre to the ceiling I just dabbed & boarded.

Everything was then given a plaster skim and allowed to dry out.

Following this, the room was painted with this plaster sealer stuff and allowed to dry out further, then emulsioned throughout.

What I can tell you is that the plaster skim over the rendering began to crack off and flake away within a month or two of completion.
So when I got the plaster back to do the bathroom I asked him to reskim the damaged areas. These have since cracked and flaked again.

No idea what caused it. Initially, I wondered if the underlying render hadn't completely dried out, and that it had shrunk away from the plaster skim.

Other than this, I could only suspect that some chemical reaction had taken place between the waterproofer, the plaster sealer or the PVA.


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