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City&Guilds 2382
Nov 29th, 2008, 11:07am
 
2382 Syllabus
The 2382 Certificate in the Requirements for Electrical Installations syllabus and question bank is based solely on the IEE BS 7671:2008 Wiring Regulations.  It includes no content related directly to the IEE On-Site Guide other than content which is also in BS 7671.  We have no plans to alter the syllabus to include On-Site Guide content.  Any changes to the content of the 2382 syllabus, and therefore the examination, would be clearly communicated to centres well in advance.

Open Book requirements
A number of centres have asked whether the IEE BS 7671:2008 Wiring Regulations need to be ‘clean’ eg free from notes, annotations and / or bookmarks.  This is the case – the regulations taken into the examination need to be ‘clean’ e.g. free from notes, annotations, bookmarks and anything else that may in any way aid candidates in undertaking the examination.  Invigilators must inspect any regulations that are taken into the examination to ensure they are ‘clean’ or alternatively pre-inspected ‘clean’ copies can be provided by the centre.

No publications other than the IEE BS 7671:2008 Wiring Regulations are currently permitted into the 2382 Certificate in the Requirements for Electrical Installations examinations.  

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Reply #1 - Nov 29th, 2008, 12:50pm
 
That's interesting Chubbs, the last course I did everybody's regs books were decorated like Christmas trees. While on the course the lecturers were suggesting sections to highlight, tag and flag.
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Reply #2 - Nov 29th, 2008, 4:42pm
 
They'll be telling us to tear out the index next  Angry
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Reply #3 - Nov 30th, 2008, 9:22am
 
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They'll be telling us to tear out the index next  Angry


I just remember all the page numbers... far quicker.  Wink
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Re: City&Guilds 2382
Reply #4 - Nov 30th, 2008, 10:11am
 
how stupid, the point in having the flags on the pages is to speed up answering the questions, because you have so many questions with little time.

Lets face it you are never going to be using the regs that intensively in the real world.  I can not see the point the point in making students take longer to answer the questions.  If they want to make the exam harder they should just make the questions harder not make using a book harder!
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Re: City&Guilds 2382
Reply #5 - Nov 30th, 2008, 11:52am
 
wozzy wrote on Nov 30th, 2008, 10:11am:
how stupid, the point in having the flags on the pages is to speed up answering the questions,


But it doesn't. If anything, it creates greater confusion - ask anybody coming out of an exam if they actually used their tabs.

The quickest way it to understand and use the structure of the regulations, starting from page 3.

As for not using the regulations in 'real life', that's a big part of the problem. Most sparks seem to prefer to rely on hearsay and have very little idea of what the regulations actually require.
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Re: City&Guilds 2382
Reply #6 - Nov 30th, 2008, 12:08pm
 
when i said 'real world' i was not refering to way electricians use them, i was refering to the fact what in the exam you use the regs 64 times in 90 minutes.

Yes understanding the structure is better than using tabs, but i think its better students spend their time interpreting the regulation and making a educated decision on the information they have gathered than spending their time looking FOR the information.

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Reply #7 - Nov 30th, 2008, 7:26pm
 
wozzy wrote on Nov 30th, 2008, 12:08pm:
...in the exam you use the regs 64 times in 90 minutes.


To be pedantic, 60 questions in 120 minutes, or 30 questions in 60 minutes, depending on which exam they are taking.

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Yes understanding the structure is better than using tabs, but i think its better students spend their time interpreting the regulation and making a educated decision on the information they have gathered than spending their time looking FOR the information.


I hope by that you mean understanding the requirements. The regulations are not meant to be interpreted and that particular myth is partly responsible for the generally poor relationship sparks have with them..

The GOLA exam is laid out in sections corresponding to the parts of the regulations. Knowing just the question number is a pretty good guide to where to find the answer. Invariably, if you can understand what the question is asking you'll find the relevant requirements quite quickly.

Overwhelmingly, candidates arrive on courses poorly prepared and with a disappointing attitude...

...but they tend to raise their game for the resit!  Wink
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Reply #8 - Nov 30th, 2008, 7:35pm
 
dingbat wrote on Nov 30th, 2008, 7:26pm:
Overwhelmingly, candidates arrive on courses poorly prepared and with a disappointing attitude...




Sounds like every exam I've ever taken.......  Roll Eyes
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Re: City&Guilds 2382
Reply #9 - Nov 30th, 2008, 11:25pm
 
dingbat wrote on Nov 30th, 2008, 7:26pm:
Overwhelmingly, candidates arrive on courses poorly prepared and with a disappointing attitude...

...but they tend to raise their game for the resit!  Wink

lmao  Grin

Reminds me though, I better be getting mine soon, the 2381 is ready for the shredder :-D
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Reply #10 - Dec 2nd, 2008, 9:49am
 
"The regulations are not meant to be interpreted and that particular myth is partly responsible for the generally poor relationship sparks have with them.."

However, since they are so poorly drafted and often indistinct, most sparks could be excused for interpreting them.

If they are poorly understood, then they are poorly written and their aims are ill-defined. Of course there will always a core who will never understand anything, but if the writers and publishers wish to have their regulations adhered to, then they should ensure that the regs are communicated in a coherent style if  their intended audience are to apply them fully and correctly.


It seems that forces are at work to make the regs as unreadable and confusing as possible with each update, and I rather suspect that those forces are European in origin.

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Reply #11 - Dec 2nd, 2008, 5:02pm
 
Hear! Hear! TT
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Reply #12 - Dec 2nd, 2008, 9:11pm
 
[quote author=dingbat link=1227956869/0#5 date=1228045961]wozzy wrote on Nov 30th, 2008, 10:11am:
The quickest way it to understand and use the structure of the regulations, starting from page 3.



what do you mean by that ding? read the whole regs from page 3?
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Re: City&Guilds 2382
Reply #13 - Dec 3rd, 2008, 6:38am
 
You are not expected to know the regs inside out carl - The architecture is explained on page 3.
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Re: City&Guilds 2382
Reply #14 - Dec 3rd, 2008, 9:40am
 
The_Trician wrote on Dec 2nd, 2008, 9:49am:
"The regulations are not meant to be interpreted and that particular myth is partly responsible for the generally poor relationship sparks have with them.."

However, since they are so poorly drafted and often indistinct, most sparks could be excused for interpreting them.


Have you ever actually read the regs properly though?

Start at the first regulation in a section, or a regulation group and it invariably gives you the basic requirement in plain English. Subsequent regs then expand on that, or cover specific circumstances, which may or may not apply.

Too often sparks start at some random place and get confused; you should do it like this:

Consider the nature of your query.
On page 3, identify the relevant chapter and go to the title page of that chapter.
Identify the relevant section or regulation group. (sections have three digits) and find it in the chapter.
Go to that section and read the scope/introduction/general requirements headings to see if it does apply.
If so, read the section from the beginning.
If not, redefine your search using the correct terminology.

Do this and you will discover one of two things...

That the regs are, in fact, logical and clear... or....

...that it's time to on a course!

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Reply #15 - Dec 5th, 2008, 4:14pm
 
dingbat wrote on Nov 30th, 2008, 9:22am:
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I just remember all the page numbers... far quicker.  Wink



Just remember all the the page numbers
What idiot does that Wink
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