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Problematic MetalHalide lighting
Jan 3rd, 2009, 6:02pm
 
These are 150 watt Robus projector models,
There is ample ventilation on 3 sides and the 4th side is about 2 " form an external stone wall,so I dont think the problem is over heating through lack of ventilation.
Im aware that when the lamp nears  or ends its life they should be replaced as this damages the fitting if the lamp wont strike..
I get 230 V at the two pins that press onto the side of the lamp,I've bent the sprung contacts in over and cleaned them with a file so they make good contact and still they wont operate.

Do metal Halide fittings need a greater voltage than 230V to start in which case the fittings will need replacing.

Could it just be the fact that they've been on for 7 days a week for approx 8/10 hrs per day for going on 2 years now so there at the end of there life.

I do tell the client to isolate them as soon as the lamp nears/ends its life so to prolong fitting life.

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Re: Problematic MetalHalide lighting
Reply #1 - Jan 4th, 2009, 12:29am
 
Hi there

How did you measure the 230 volts from the pins?

There's a few things you need to know about metal-halide lighting

1) They must have suitable control gear to operate, this comprises of a transformer, an ignitor, and a capacitor. They are not "ordinary" transformers.

2) The control gear "Ballast" must be situated at least half a meter away from the light so it does not overheat

3) The metal halide lamps get striked (pulsed) at 4-5kV (5000V), and then operate/run at around 100V

4) For standard metal-halide lamps (quartz), they must have the pointy bit on the inside of the lamp upwards

If the lights have never worked correctly then it sounds to me like you/they don't have the nessecary control-gear. If they have worked correctly before you either have a faulty or blown lamp, or if you've replaced that, turned off the supply, and it still doesnt work then you have a faulty transformer or ignitor, and the fitting or ballast needs to be repaired or replaced.

Your are correct in that it is important to replace lamps as they near the end of their life, if you don’t you risk damaging the fitting. Fittings will otherwise last many-years if looked after properly.

Word of advise, be very careful when servicing or repairing these type of lights if your not sure what your doing, with the high voltages present inside it's rather dangerous, and I don't want anyone killed on my watch!
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Reply #2 - Jan 4th, 2009, 9:36am
 
The control gear is all incorporated in the body of the fitting.It does actually look like a camera "projector".
Yes I took the voltage at the pins that connect to either side of the lamp and it was 230V,so are you saying this is incorrect and should be greater?

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Re: Problematic MetalHalide lighting
Reply #3 - Jan 4th, 2009, 11:41am
 
You wont measure the strike voltage, all you ar seing is the open circuit voltage.

It is likely the ignitor that is gone, as the 'choke' usually fails by shorting out and blowing fuses, or atleast looking and smelling f'ed.

It is more often than not cheaper to get an entire new fitting.  Robus are  middle of the range, although there products in recent years have been becoming very good quality.  Their earlier stuff was tat.
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Re: Problematic MetalHalide lighting
Reply #4 - Jan 4th, 2009, 5:10pm
 
Agree with all of the above.

The reason I asked how you measured 230V is because some people use volt sticks or neon screwdrivers which wont tell you the voltage. I would have expected you to read a lot less than 230V.

As Lectrician says it's probably the ignitor, these cost about £20.00. But then you have to factor time to repair the fitting too. To replace the unit would cost £90-£110 for a good one.
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Reply #5 - Jan 4th, 2009, 6:40pm
 
Ok all Qu's answered now,thanks again.
Its reassuring to you know you can get A1 advice on here Cheesy
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Reply #6 - Jan 4th, 2009, 7:31pm
 
Well we try and help if we can!

Let us know how you get on though, it's always nice to hear if the problem got sorted out  Smiley
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Reply #7 - Jan 7th, 2009, 2:25pm
 
I once watched someone set fire to a chep multimeter trying to measure the strike voltage on a 1200w HMI lamp Smiley
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Re: Problematic MetalHalide lighting
Reply #8 - Jan 8th, 2009, 2:20am
 
What a silly billy. Didn't he know the maximum test ratings of his multi-meter?! Poor DMM.. RIP.
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