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Government's Consumer White Paper
Jul 11th, 2009, 8:52am
 
The Consumer White Paper recently published by Government.
In particular, its commitment to work with enforcement authorities, business and scheme operators to help raise awareness of schemes designed to safeguard the consumer.

Take a look Wink
http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file52072.pdf
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Re: Government's Consumer White Paper
Reply #1 - Jul 13th, 2009, 9:45pm
 
And none of these schemes have any direct relation to electrical installation work. wow!

Only two references to electrical in the whole 100+ page document, energy saving light bulbs and dodge consumer electrical goods that don't meet safety standards!
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Reply #2 - Jul 16th, 2009, 11:58pm
 
LSpark wrote on Jul 13th, 2009, 9:45pm:
And none of these schemes have any direct relation to electrical installation work. wow!

Only two references to electrical in the whole 100+ page document, energy saving light bulbs and dodge consumer electrical goods that don't meet safety standards!



Are you sure ? Wink
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Re: Government's Consumer White Paper
Reply #3 - Jul 18th, 2009, 12:34am
 
Govt version -

"The Government held a Home Improvement Summit on 8 June 2009 to explore possible solutions to the issues facing those considering having work done in their home.

The objectives were to identify ways in which consumer awareness of problems in the sector can be improved, to improve awareness of recognised “Good Trader” schemes and to raise the profile of these schemes among business to encourage wider participation."


Remove the 'spin' and we get -

The Government held a Home Improvement Summit on 8 June 2009 to explore possible solutions to the issues facing those considering having work done in their home.

The objectives were to identify ways in which ......


...more revenue (taxes) can be raised from the unsuspecting Public in order to keep the now-legions of the otherwise unemployable non-jobs in meaningless work.

Sounds about right.

"I'm from the Government and I'm here to help....."

Gawd 'elp us.

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Reply #4 - Jul 18th, 2009, 4:40pm
 
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Re: Government's Consumer White Paper
Reply #5 - Jul 18th, 2009, 5:38pm
 
I've heard ducks fart before.

This is just another last-gasp initiative from a dying Govt, and one which will never grow legs because it costs money - and the Public purse is well empty.

Just wait till Cameron gets in Chubbs - Part P will be GONE!!

Along with your Part P training courses!!!

Time for a long overdue BIG RED TAPE BONFIRE!

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #6 - Jul 18th, 2009, 7:41pm
 
Agree 100% TT and I think that Prescott should pay for the costs, out of his OWN pocket,  of a so-called law that was SO badly thought out that an ape (sorry apes) could have done better. Part P is dead in the water without a doubt as it stands, nice idea shame about the implementation.
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Re: Government's Consumer White Paper
Reply #7 - Jul 19th, 2009, 8:55am
 
Hilarious! I had no idea they were still performing: http://www.thechucklebrothersontour.co.uk/

Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Re: Government's Consumer White Paper
Reply #8 - Jul 19th, 2009, 10:49am
 
i have been thinking about this for a while and would like to know what you lads think:

As tibbar tibbar says he and many others do not believe Part P is working, due to implementation.

Is it just because of implementation? Did Part P go far enough? Did Part P go too far?

Just want to see what people think and how it should have been done?
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Re: Government's Consumer White Paper
Reply #9 - Jul 19th, 2009, 11:37am
 
Put it this way,

Whenever you hear the words 'Government' & 'Scheme' used in the same sentence, you just know it's gonna be bad.

This is particularly true for any form of Socialist-leaning Govt.

Part Pi$$ isn't working, the number of annual fatalities has actually risen since Jan 2005.

It has become so embarrassing that the Govt no longer records these numbers themselves.

The ESC (the propaganda arm of the NIC to you and me) has now undertaken this task in order to gather enough data to screw the UK electrical industry completely.

There now seems to be even more impetus to drive the industry towards becoming a 'Closed Shop'.

Paid-up Scam members-only if you please.

After all, it's in the name of enhanced safety for the consumer isn't it?
(Laughs his bollerks off)

So why, after new legislation, millions of items of test kit being bought, millions of training courses being sold, and more inspection & testing being carried out than ever before, have more lives been lost on a per annum basis since Jan 2005?

Well let's have a look shall we.

One 5 day course and you can become 'an electrician with the potential to earn upwards of £40+K per year'!

In reality, your '5 day wonder' is simply another semi-skilled dilutee but without the requisite experience to help him blunder through.

So it's like -

PCSO  (Police Community Support Officer) instead of real Policeman.
HLTA (Higher Level Teaching Assistant) instead of real Teacher.

The Govt and it's quango cohorts seem hell-bent on dumbing down and screwing up every aspect of the UKs daily economic life.

I just hope that Cameron puts a stop to all this nonsense and lifts the dead hand of Govt off our backs once and for all.

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Re: Government's Consumer White Paper
Reply #10 - Jul 19th, 2009, 11:40am
 
The_Trician wrote on Jul 19th, 2009, 11:37am:
I just hope that Cameron puts a stop to all this nonsense and lifts the dead hand of Govt off our backs once and for all.



Dream on...  Wink
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Re: Government's Consumer White Paper
Reply #11 - Jul 19th, 2009, 11:48am
 
thanks for the response.

There now seems to be even more impetus to drive the industry towards becoming a 'Closed Shop'.

what you mean by that?
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Re: Government's Consumer White Paper
Reply #12 - Jul 19th, 2009, 11:58am
 
A 'Closed Shop' was created by the trade unions back in the dark days of the 60's & 70's.

Back then, when we had workshops and actually made 'things' to sell, instead of stupid 'concepts' and fictional financial 'instruments', the workshop was 'closed' to anyone who wasn't a member of a trade union.

You must have heard about how good we all were at going on strike back then?

Basically, unless you were a member of the union you didn't get a job.

One of the first things any prospective employer would ask at a job interview was "Are you in the union?'
Back then, the unions decided who got the job and not the employer.

Similarly, the Part P scam providers want a situation where all electrical works are only carried out by  their members, thus creating a 'Closed Shop'.

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Re: Government's Consumer White Paper
Reply #13 - Jul 19th, 2009, 12:08pm
 
i see what you are saying.

If you are talking about improving standards and decreasing the number of deaths, how do we go about this?

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Re: Government's Consumer White Paper
Reply #14 - Jul 19th, 2009, 12:35pm
 
Well to be honest, the annual number of deaths - however tragic - never did merit the likes of Part P in the first place on a cost-benefit analysis.

What it did achieve, was to enable many opportunists to start up so-called 'Training companies' which offer courses of varying quality to many of those who should have stuck to Share-dealing & Dry-stone walling instead.

Today's industry is all about 'Enabling' and 'Increasing access to education'.

Basically the whole thing is being dumbed-down to tick-box level, which then goes on to provide a path for lawyers to chase.

Meanwhile, the whole enhanced safety angle can go hang.

Feel free to come up with any workable solutions yourself!

But bear this in mind - 'Change' is not always for the better.

S'funny, but the annual fatality stats were actually lower prior to the 1st Jan 2005.

What does that tell you..........

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Re: Government's Consumer White Paper
Reply #15 - Jul 23rd, 2009, 10:40pm
 
Where did you get the fatality stats from, TT?  When I enquired I found only one death attributable to faulty wiring and that was the MPs daughter which kicked the whole thing off.  

RoSPA had no stats available either.
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Reply #16 - Jul 24th, 2009, 5:28pm
 
The latest National Statistics on fires, casualties and false alarms attended by the Fire and Rescue Services in the United Kingdom, produced by Communities and Local Government, were released on Friday 17 July 2009 according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority. Wink


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