If you have a _first_ floor comprising...

Bedroom above
Screed + UFH
Insulation
Beam and Block
Battens and air gap
Plasterboard
Kitchen Below

Were exactly is the official fire break?

Specifically is it possible to insert downlights without fire hoods into the plasterboard and cavity between the concrete beams?

The downlights I want to use are larger commercial type (150-250mm round) and I'm not sure if fire hoods are available. .

Even if hoods are available there may not be enough void depth for both the light and the hood between the plasterboard and underside of the blocks (100mm).

There is no danger of the lamp itself overheating - I've checked that. It's the fire break rules I'm interested in.

PS: I'm aware the new regs don't allow me to install these lamps myself.

Thanks

As far as the depth for the downlighters is concerned if it is only 2x1 batten you will not have fitting room.
I do alot of plastering to hollow core concrete floors and the usual method is to anchor 2x2 to the concrete undersides and counter batten with 2x1 before slabbing, even then it is tight for lights.

[quote author=HM  link=1108684274/0#1 date=1108556533](actually even qualified and experienced sparks aren't allow to issue certificates unless they belong to NICEIC or similar) [/quote]
Any Self-certification scheme mean's you can self-certify you're work to the new requirements, NICEIC are not the only puppy in the pack, and since when are we not allowed to issue certificate's, think you need read the legal document and check, couldnt find it myself

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Nope, Im fed up of hearing the name NICEIC banded about like this..

Competent persons self-certification schemes:

http://www.odpm.gov.uk/stellent/groups/odpm_buildreg/documents/page/odpm_breg_60...


Part P Schemes (Electrical Safety in Dwellings)

(a) Full competence schemes

BRE Certification Limited
This scheme, operated with the support of the Electrical Contractors Association and the Institution of Electrical Engineers, is primarily designed for those whose main business is electrical contracting and those who wish to be able to self-certify all types of electrical work in dwellings. The scheme will begin formal operation on 1 January 2005.

For more information on this scheme see www.partp.co.uk

British Standards Institution
This scheme, which will be known as the Kitemark Scheme for electrical installation work, is primarily designed for those whose main business is electrical contracting and those who wish to be able to self-certify all types of electrical work in dwellings. The scheme will begin formal operation on 1 January 2005.

For more information on this scheme see www.kitemarktoday.com

ELECSA Limited
This scheme, operated with the support of the British Board of Agrement, is primarily designed for those whose main business is electrical contracting and those who wish to be able to self-certify all types of electrical work in dwellings. The scheme will begin formal operation on 1 January 2005.

For more information on this scheme see www.elecsa.org.uk

NAPIT Certification Limited
This scheme is designed primarily for those whose main business is electrical contracting and will allow its members to self-certify all types of electrical installation work in dwellings. The scheme will begin formal operation on 1 January 2005.

For more information on this scheme see www.napit.org.uk

NICEIC Certification Services Limited
This scheme, which is known as the Domestic Installer Scheme, is designed for those who wish to be able to self-certify all types of electrical work in dwellings either as an electrical contractor or as part of an ancillary trade activity. The scheme will begin formal operation on 1 January 2005.

For more information on this scheme see www.niceic.org.uk

(b) Defined competence schemes

These schemes are designed primarily for those who do electrical installation work as an adjunct to or in connection with their primary work activities - for example, gas installations, plumbing, kitchen or bathroom fitting, heating installation, security systems..

CORGI Services Limited

This scheme is designed initially to allow CORGI registered gas installers to be able to self-certify the electrical installation work they do in relation to the installation of gas appliances but will be open to others in other areas of work activity in the future. The scheme will begin formal operation on 1 January 2005.

For more information on this scheme see www.corgi-gas-safety.com

ELECSA Limited

This scheme is designed to allow members to self-certify the electrical installation work they carry out only within the context of their primary work activity. There is no restriction as to the type of primary work activity. The scheme will begin formal operation on 1 January 2005.

For more information on this scheme see www.elecsa.org.uk

NAPIT Certification Limited

This scheme is designed to allow members to self-certify the electrical installation work they carry out only within the context of their primary work activity. There is no restriction as to the type of primary work activity.The scheme will begin formal operation on 1 January 2005

For more information on the scheme see info@napit.org.uk

NICEIC Certification Services Limited

This scheme is designed to allow members to self-certify the electrical installation work they carry out only in connection with their primary work activity. There is no restriction as to the type of primary work activity. The scheme will begin formal operation on 1 January 2005.

For more information see www.niceic.org.uk

OFTEC (Oil Firing Technical Association for the Petroleum Industry Ltd)

This scheme is designed only for members of the OFTEC installation of oil-fired combustion appliance (including the installation of oil storage tanks and pipe) competent person scheme (see above) to be able to self-certify the electrical installation work they do only in this context. The scheme will begin formal operation on 1 January 2005.

For more information see www.oftec.org.uk

Here Here LS and btw HM theres no such thing as an approved NICEIC sparky. There is such a thing as an approved NICEIC company, but NICEIC companys make mistakes too. I have worked for NICEIC companies and found them just the same as most, some cut corners and they employ electricians who dont always do the work correctly same as all companies. What I am saying is what LS has said, the NICEIC is just a name but it doesnt give them the right to run riot and think they rule the electrical contracting industry.

As I have said having the NICEIC status doesnt make you a competant electrician or company, qualifications and experience do. There are some very bad NICEIC companies out there and there is some very good ones, but its the work force that gives you the status and keeps it for you, so in my opinion electricians are due more than they are getting at the moment.

To be honest in the light of Part P, the NICEIC will be finding out soon enough how good they are against the other schemes. They have had the monopoly for far too long and now there will be a change you watch. We all know who instigated Part P and how they use members enrollment fees to start up other firms like the electrical safety group and also for those who dont know>> NICEIC insurance.

Well the change is going to happen maybe you are No 1 right now but that will change.

T

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You can be an individual to go trough NICEIC registration, you just need to have a name for you're self  
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I remain cynical