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DAB
Nov 7th, 2004, 11:41pm
 
how many dab radios can you run from a DAB aerial?
anything special to look for? like tv aerials, wideband ect
and DAB worth it?
can ya get a DAB signal through a digital TV aerial?

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Re: DAB
Reply #1 - Nov 8th, 2004, 12:07am
 
I have a Roberts dab radio but it only has a telescopic aerial.

for the technical minded DAB uses frequency 174.928-239.200 MHz..

phone 0208758 0338 for technical helpline.

I can get dab radio on my computers

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Re: DAB
Reply #2 - Nov 8th, 2004, 12:13am
 
is that with a bit of wooood then  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Grin Grin Wink
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Re: DAB
Reply #3 - Nov 8th, 2004, 12:42am
 
[quote author=big_all  link=1099870873/0#2 date=1099872821]is that with a bit of wooood then  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Grin Grin Wink [/quote]

What the radio or the computers Undecided Undecided

Me mum had an aerial from the plum tree to the  house if thats what you mean   Kiss Kiss Kiss

That was wood ( the plum tree ) that is Grin

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Re: DAB
Reply #4 - Nov 8th, 2004, 12:52am
 
i am only jealouse scruff just egnore me Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Wink
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Re: DAB
Reply #5 - Nov 8th, 2004, 1:49am
 
I use my freeview box (DVB) for DAB, and it really does sound good  Grin
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Re: DAB
Reply #6 - Nov 8th, 2004, 6:31am
 
[quote author=big_all  link=1099870873/0#4 date=1099875133]i am only jealouse scruff just egnore me Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Wink [/quote]

We all do anyway Smiley

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Re: DAB
Reply #7 - Nov 8th, 2004, 7:26am
 
[quote author=HandyMac  link=1099870873/0#6 date=1099895514]

We all do anyway Smiley

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Re: DAB
Reply #8 - Nov 8th, 2004, 10:47am
 
god, whats all this kissing going on in the forums, stop it right away!   Roll Eyes Roll EyesGrin Grin Grin
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Re: DAB
Reply #9 - Nov 8th, 2004, 10:53am
 
[quote author=L.Spark  link=1099870873/0#5 date=1099878580]I use my freeview box (DVB) for DAB, and it really does sound good  Grin [/quote]

freeview has some radio stations but i think its a seperate system from DAB and i don't think it has everything DAB does

i've seen local radio stations mention being on DAB and everythign my freeview box lists is nationa

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Re: DAB
Reply #10 - Nov 8th, 2004, 2:53pm
 
[quote author=plugwash  link=1099870873/0#9 date=1099911181]

freeview has some radio stations but i think its a seperate system from DAB and i don't think it has everything DAB does

i've seen local radio stations mention being on DAB and everythign my freeview box lists is nationa

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Im not convinced, theres a huge difference in quality and it has a delay which shows it's on a different bandwidth
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Re: DAB
Reply #11 - Nov 8th, 2004, 5:08pm
 
DAB is NOT transmitted through satalite or freeview, these are audio channels on your package.

DAB uses a different aerial, but may be multiplexed into the FM, and UHF/SAT frequencies using a suitable 'loft box', or a cable may be run direct to your DAB radio.

It isn't available in all areas yet, but is far superior to FM broadcasts.

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Re: DAB
Reply #12 - Nov 8th, 2004, 5:33pm
 
my experiance is that a roof mounted tv arial does much better at fm than a loft mounted FM arial for receiveing FM broadcasts

so i can't see why DAB couldn't be picked up by a decent wideband TV arial mounted in a good location
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Re: DAB
Reply #13 - Nov 8th, 2004, 7:59pm
 
Not sure on that....

Maybe when close to a transmitter, but if in the real world, A dedicted UHF, FM and DAB aerial is required.

This is when communal living is a bliss - its all done for ya.

Its a bit like an old Ford Escord with a coat hanger aerial - Yes it it will pick up the FM broadcasts, But quality  Undecided
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Re: DAB
Reply #14 - Nov 8th, 2004, 8:15pm
 
sure a good quality FM arial on the roof would be best

but what im saying is that if you have a TV arial on the roof then at least in my experiance loft mounted FM arials are a waste of time

btw im in a student resisdence block and it seems i can't get uktv history and several other freeview channels here so no its not all bliss
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Re: DAB
Reply #15 - Nov 8th, 2004, 9:24pm
 
I'm Soooooooooooo confused  ??? ??? ??? ???

why do you need an aerial, I ain't got one.

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Reply #16 - Nov 8th, 2004, 10:20pm
 
Ok DAB radio's easy. If you're in a marginal area you can just do a simple loop in the loft. If your transmitter lines up nicely across the signal path you can tack up a very simple arrangement.

Make a loop of copper wire from the palm of your hand around your elbow then do this on the other side so you end up with something which would fit across both arms.  (assuming you're an average sized male & ignore the gaps at the sides where my brackets don't join up  Embarrassed )

Kind of like this

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The ends at the top should be connected to the centre and shield of your aerial cable respectively. This will pick up DAB band fairly well.

Old school dipole manufacture from the maestro of the make do.    Wink
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Re: DAB
Reply #17 - Nov 8th, 2004, 11:55pm
 
[quote author=Lectrician  link=1099870873/0#11 date=1099933706]DAB is NOT transmitted through satalite or freeview, these are audio channels on your package. [/quote]

Damn!, well it's good enough so im not going to get DAB, I was going to wait awhile to buy a new radio tuner and thought il get a DAB radio, but the sound quality is so good theres just no point.
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Re: DAB
Reply #18 - Nov 9th, 2004, 12:00am
 
[quote author=plugwash  link=1099870873/0#14 date=1099944931]btw im in a student resisdence block and it seems i can't get uktv history and several other freeview channels here so no its not all bliss [/quote]

Thats because thay channel along with some others don't come as standard, you have to pay for top up TV which is £7.99 a month + one off £20 connection fee (connected yourself), you then get a viewing card which decodes them channels.

Thats if of course you have a box with a card reader, all boxes between 2002 and late 2004 didnt have slots, they now have around 8 boxes with slots, the big seller is the Thomson DTI2300 which sells for around £80, It's not a match on my sony, but it really isnt too bad, main things that are not as good to the sony are the channels take longer to load.
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Reply #19 - Nov 9th, 2004, 12:13am
 
[quote author=L.Spark  link=1099870873/15#18 date=1099958408]

Thats because thay channel along with some others don't come as standard, you have to pay for top up TV which is £7.99 a month + one off £20 connection fee (connected yourself), you then get a viewing card which decodes them channels.

Thats if of course you have a box with a card reader, all boxes between 2002 and late 2004 didnt have slots, they now have around 8 boxes with slots, the big seller is the Thomson DTI2300 which sells for around £80, It's not a match on my sony, but it really isnt too bad, main things that are not as good to the sony are the channels take longer to load.
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most of the uktv channels are pay but im pretty sure uktv history is free

this exact same box had no problems getting it when i was at home

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Re: DAB
Reply #20 - Nov 9th, 2004, 12:25am
 
I beg ur pardon mate, ur right  Roll Eyes

Just checked it out, it's the other UKTV channel im thinking off (Gold) - also UKStyle is not free, UKTV History is free and is available here, are you missing any others  ???



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Re: DAB
Reply #21 - Nov 10th, 2004, 3:17pm
 
cheers guys

does it matter how big the aerial is?
or what its made from? ie, copper, steel, aluminum

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Reply #22 - Nov 13th, 2004, 5:07pm
 
Never beleive anyone when they say size doesn't matter Wink

Yep for DAB the dipole length will aim to be about 1/4 of the wavelength of the centre frequency. In a domestic situation like this, size of cable matters only in so far as the the fatter it is the more signal hits the bu66er in the first place. But if you go for a loop at the end so it keeps the upper and lower cables approximately 3 inches apart, in old money, then you'll be in the right ball park. This is slightly larger than you'd have on a horizontally mounted dipole, but it allows for the fact that it'll be on a loft batten which will slope with the angle of the roof. If you're just putting it on a horizontal timber then reduce it slightly to about 2.5 inches. The total width of the wire dipole should come up at about a couple of feet (use some nice 4mm solid if you can get it). I reckon you'll find this will give you much inproved FM as well as spot on DAB if you stick it into a combiner or the FM i/p of your loft amp.

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