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sparkyjonny GDPR opt-out	Re: Spurs, MCBs, and confused Reply #17 - Nov 25^th, 2004, 5:46pm Much prefer radials for reason of power distribution, and ease of extending (branches). From what I can see, the only advantage of rings is the reduced chance of no earth present at outlets, as a result of a broken CPC.
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Lectrician Administrator Trade Member Author Offline Ask The Trades Posts: 8814 Total Thanks: 109 For This Post: 0 Braunton, North Devon United Kingdom Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: Spurs, MCBs, and confused Reply #18 - Nov 25^th, 2004, 5:52pm Rings will die soon.....along with bs1363
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sparkyjonny GDPR opt-out Total Thanks: 109 For This Post: 0	Re: Spurs, MCBs, and confused Reply #19 - Nov 25^th, 2004, 6:21pm And every plugtop, Lectrician?! What do you want, hard-wired appliances?!?
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plugwash Administrator Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 1383 Total Thanks: 0 For This Post: 0 Trade: Not Specified	Re: Spurs, MCBs, and confused Reply #20 - Nov 25^th, 2004, 9:03pm what i don't see is why they don't make a 13A socket with a built in fuse for protection and shutters that are designed so a europlug will open them harmonisation problem solved at least for small portable appliances
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sparkyjonny GDPR opt-out Total Thanks: 0 For This Post: 0	Re: Spurs, MCBs, and confused Reply #21 - Nov 25^th, 2004, 9:59pm And a double socket with a 13A fuse, like the 3 gang ones available, if they cannot manufacture one which is rated at 26A.
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Reply #22 - Nov 25^th, 2004, 10:09pm

[quote author=Lectrician link=1101274475/15#18 date=1101405143]Rings will die soon.....along with bs1363 Shocked

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No more rings? Not such a bad idea.

No more fused plugs? 'kin terrible idea.

[quote author=plugwash link=1101274475/15#20 date=1101416588]what i don't see is why they don't make a 13A socket with a built in fuse for protection and shutters that are designed so a europlug will open them [/quote]
How about because some appliances/appliance flexes need less than 13A?

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plugwash Administrator Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 1383 Total Thanks: 0 For This Post: 0 Trade: Not Specified	Re: Spurs, MCBs, and confused Reply #23 - Nov 25^th, 2004, 10:24pm im not really convinced how much the smaller plug fuses achive sure they are nice to have but nearly all modern appliances will have internal protection and so long as the flex is not insanely long the 13A fuse should deal with shorts ok yes i know its been drummed into us from kids but no other wiring system does it
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ban-all-sheds GDPR opt-out Total Thanks: 0 For This Post: 0	Re: Spurs, MCBs, and confused Reply #24 - Nov 25^th, 2004, 11:22pm Just because we're unusual it doesn't mean we are wrong.
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supersparky Administrator Trade Member Author Offline Posts: 6097 Total Thanks: 3 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: Spurs, MCBs, and confused Reply #25 - Nov 25^th, 2004, 11:31pm i dont see the point in harmonisation i think its a load of balls it wont help foreign sparks comming over here to know what they are doing cos they wont have the qualifications so there goes that idea ss
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Reply #26 - Nov 26^th, 2004, 12:30am

the harmoisation of portable equipment makes a lot of sense both for manufactures and for customers.

the one part of portable appliances that hasn't been harmonised accross europe yet is the plug and socket system. For low current class 2 appliances the europlug is now usable over almost all of europe.

for higher current kit the combined schuko/french plug is also starting to replace local plugs in quite a bit of europe.

the UK plug system does have its advantages but I would say its days are almost certainly numbered.

fixed wiring is another issue but making the color code the same as that for portable kit was probablly a sensible move

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Reply #27 - Nov 26^th, 2004, 8:50am

[quote author=supersparky link=1101274475/15#26 date=1101425481]i dont see the point in harmonisation
i think its a load of balls

it wont help foreign sparks comming over here to know what they are doing cos they wont have the qualifications so there goes that idea

ss [/quote]

No, no SS ya have the wrong idea. Any illegal into UK will be allowed to work on electricity and gas. Its only the local Brits that have to get qualified and pay to join some Mafia club.

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scotspark Trade Member Offline mmmmm it's gonna cost you!! Posts: 3074 Total Thanks: 10 For This Post: 0 scotland Scotland Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: Spurs, MCBs, and confused Reply #28 - Nov 27^th, 2004, 2:53pm I prefer radials these days as if a connection come loose or a cable is broken then you lose part of the circuit which highlights there is a problem where as with a ring the circuit will continue to work without showing up any effects. saying that i still wire plenty of ring cct's
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sparkyjonny GDPR opt-out Total Thanks: 10 For This Post: 0	Re: Spurs, MCBs, and confused Reply #29 - Nov 27^th, 2004, 5:16pm Yeah, the only advantage I can see of rings is the smaller cable size (slight cost advantage, but easier to work with).
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Reply #30 - Nov 28^th, 2004, 7:13pm

A 16 or 20 Amp radial can be wired in 2.5 all the same

It is rare that I wire a 4mm 32 Amp radial

one of the reasons that 4mm is so much more expensive than 2.5 is just the volumes produced,n i use thousands of metres of 2.5 but barely any 4 and with the increasing wattages of showers and Range cookers I am using more and more 10mm as opposed to 6

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