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One radiator not working... (NOW RESOLVED)
Jan 2nd, 2005, 2:27pm
 
Second question for today...
About a year ago I had a plumber in to do a few jobs associated with my new (self-fitted) kitchen. One of the jobs he did was to remove a high level fan heater that was plumbed into the central heating. Ever since he removed that, the radiator in the dining room next to the kitchen has not worked. (It definately worked before this - without doubt).
I've been up in the loft and looked at what he has done, and TBH, it makes perfect sense to me.
When I open the bleed valve at the top of the radiator I get water, not air, so it's obviously full, it just doesn't get hot. All other radiators work fine.
The system is a strange mix of microbore and standard pipe work - I think some of the radiators (including this one) were retrofitted at some point.
Do I have an air lock or something? If so, how can I get rid of it?
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Reply #1 - Jan 2nd, 2005, 2:38pm
 
I get water not air, a common line of thinking, but not the right one.

If for example you have air locked in the return, then the water will still flow via the flow and viseversa.

You need to isolate one pipe and bleed any air out then isolate that pipe and bleed the other.

Hope that all make sence.

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Reply #2 - Jan 2nd, 2005, 2:53pm
 
Thanks Scruff - I see what you are saying. How do I isolate each pipe in turn?
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Re: One radiator not working...
Reply #3 - Jan 2nd, 2005, 2:58pm
 
[quote author=Dave.B  link=1104676041/0#2 date=1104677591]Thanks Scruff - I see what you are saying. How do I isolate each pipe in turn? [/quote]

turn the valve off on the rad, then swop them over, i.e. close and then open the second.

For best results turn the pump and boiler off.

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Reply #4 - Jan 2nd, 2005, 8:05pm
 
Got it - thanks mate.
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Reply #5 - Jan 2nd, 2005, 8:32pm
 
[quote author=Dave.B  link=1104676041/0#4 date=1104696329]Got it - thanks mate. [/quote]

Yeh  Undecided But did it work  Grin

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Reply #6 - Jan 28th, 2005, 9:42pm
 
Dunno yet - not got round to it. Been concentrating more on my en-suite.
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Reply #7 - Jan 29th, 2005, 11:38pm
 
Not got round to it yet Cheesy

Your mrs must be patient - i changed our boiler over the christmas holiday and my mrs nagged me that when she woke up the next day she expected hot water and heating so i had to work till 4 am to get it back on Undecided
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Reply #8 - Feb 11th, 2005, 4:54pm
 
OK, I've just had a go at this:
I closed the lockshield valve (which was fully open BTW - is that right?), opened the thermostatic valve fully and bled the radiator - water instantly came dribbling out of the bleed screw.
I then opened the lockshield valve fully and closed the thermo valve and bled again - water instantly came dribbling out of the bleed screw again.
No luck - radiator still not getting warm.
Did I do this right?
I'm trying to get the plumber back to have a look at it - but I think he has quit the trade - he gave me fair warning of this last year so it's my fault for not getting him back sooner.
Anyway, what's the next thing to try (if anything)?
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Reply #9 - Feb 11th, 2005, 6:05pm
 
Dave i had exactly the same thing happen to me this week after adding two new rads.
The first thing you need to do is balance them.
Even after doing this i still had 1 rad that was stone cold!!

In the end i closed all the valves on the feed pipes to the rads (except the cold one)and after about 5 minutes you could hear the rad gurgling and then hey presto the rad was piping hot.

Might be worth a try. Grin ???


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Reply #10 - Feb 11th, 2005, 6:40pm
 
Good idea Chaddy - thanks.
I'll try it now...
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Reply #11 - Feb 11th, 2005, 6:44pm
 
Ok mate let us know how you get on Grin Grin
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Reply #12 - Feb 11th, 2005, 6:55pm
 
Well, 10 minutes later and no gurgling - I'll leave it a while longer, but knowing my luck my pressure relief valve is stuck shut and something's about to blow up!  Grin

I'm thinking it could be that the plumber has connected the flow pipe to the return pipe and vice versa up in the loft - in which case all I need to do is swap the valves to opposite sides of the radiator - right?
I don't fancy that too much though as it means draining the system and if it's anything like my car I'll have a pig of a job getting airlocks out again. And even after that it still might not work.

Good job the lack of radiator isn't making the room too cold to use.
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Re: One radiator not working...
Reply #13 - Feb 11th, 2005, 7:00pm
 
[quote author=Dave.B  link=1104676041/0#12 date=1108148112]in which case all I need to do is swap the valves to opposite sides of the radiator - right? [/quote]
wrong, imagine the radiator as a fat bit of pipework, if you turn it round, valve to opposte sides or change pipework to opposite ends, its still the same loop, might go a different way thru the rad but thats no matter.

What happens if you turn off all the other rads in the system, leaving only this one on?
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Reply #14 - Feb 11th, 2005, 7:04pm
 
Ah, but it's got a thermostatic valve on one end - am I right in thinking that water will only flow one way through one of these? Apologies if not...

As for your last question - see above, I'm experimenting with that now - fingers crossed!!
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Reply #15 - Feb 11th, 2005, 7:10pm
 
all a thermostatic valve is, is a regular rad valve with a thermostatic control unit stuck on top. However you might be right in the only flows one way theory, might be just the ticket and in any case cant do any harm.

When the high level heater was removed there might have been some sh*t stuck in the pipework, if you remove the rad and open the valves do they blast water out? (this is a wet test, i.e you will get wet!)

can you connect a hose to the valve and have it blow for a few seconds to see if its actually getting water and not just letting out the "pressurised" water already there.

Will await reply to the current test first lol......
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Reply #16 - Feb 11th, 2005, 7:18pm
 
Dave you said that the lockshield was  fully open on this rad.

Did the plumber balance the system when he fitted the rads?

Check all the other lockshields( the ones with the caps on) if they are all fully open this could be the problem.

It's amazing how much difference a quarter turn affects the flow to the other rads.
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