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Mar 22nd, 2005, 1:22pm
 
Hi, I'm electronically incompetent & have a question, which I hope you can help. My 3 year old washine machine trips the whole electrics of my flat during a particular cycle. Any idea why? How to fix it? How much it will cost? please. Any help gratefully received.
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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #1 - Mar 22nd, 2005, 3:50pm
 
It sounds like a part inside your washing machine has failed.  This is causing your trip (probably RCD) to trip when it hits that part of the cycle.

Your best bet is to get in touch with an appliance repair company to deal with this.  An Electrician will generally not want to get involved inside an appliance.

Your RCD is tripping for a reason - don't forget that!
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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #2 - Mar 22nd, 2005, 7:15pm
 
Not sure if this might be true or not but I'll offer an opinion for what it is worth.

I'm wondering whether this might be a problem with the heater element in the machine. They can get corroded, and in the past I have seen the outer skin of the element rust away, this leaves the element wire exposed. If that were to happen then there might be a chance that when the heater is switched on it dissipates some electricity to the water within the machine, obviously the machine is earthed, some energy goes to earth, and the end result is your RCD trips because of an imbalance in the currents flowing in the live and neutral.

As I say, don't take this as gospel - it could be a number of different things. But maybe you could check whether this problem occurs at the point in time when the heater kicks in.

You can probably physically disconnect the heater element fairly easily so that might give you a clue as to whether it is heater orientated.

NOTE: UNPLUG THE APPLIANCE BEFORE DIVING IN THE BACK! And be VERY careful poking about! There are big capacitors in the back of these machines and they hold a charge for hours after the machine is unplugged, if you shorted across one of these capacitors you could have huge instantaneous currents flowing.

If in doubt leave servicing to qualified appliance engineers.

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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #3 - Mar 22nd, 2005, 7:31pm
 
most washing machines dont heat their own water and those that do would use the heater all the way through in varying degrees  Undecided

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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #4 - Mar 22nd, 2005, 8:10pm
 
Yes I believe thats correct  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

btw cold fill sucks  Grin
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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #5 - Mar 22nd, 2005, 9:07pm
 
strangely most utility room extensions I build end up with cold fill only to the washing machines.  This is usually decided by the distance the hot cylinder is in relation to the utility room as the initial cold leg of water in the hot water pipe to the washing machine means it probably fills with cold anyway!

Modern machines use so little water that the hot never gets a chance to reach the machine  Grin

We've got two washing machines in our utility room (one old one, just for work clothes!) and both are set up on cold feed only  Undecided

Am I being a muppet or is my theory above 'slightly' correct  ???
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Reply #6 - Mar 22nd, 2005, 9:20pm
 
It's possibly right Jerry, but if you want to be a muppet I'm sure we can oblige..Kermit!!!
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Reply #7 - Mar 22nd, 2005, 10:00pm
 
lol  Grin

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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #8 - Mar 22nd, 2005, 11:47pm
 
I had the same problem once - turned out to be a split hose spraying a tiny amount of water onto the motor.
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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #9 - Mar 22nd, 2005, 11:54pm
 
Hope you asked kermit, he's a good man with a good trade and he deserves better  Wink Grin
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Reply #10 - Apr 4th, 2005, 4:55pm
 
[quote author=glover  link=1111497761/0#0 date=1111497760]Hi, I'm electronically incompetent & have a question, which I hope you can help. My 3 year old washine machine trips the whole electrics of my flat during a particular cycle. Any idea why? How to fix it? How much it will cost? please. Any help gratefully received.   [/quote]

If "...machine trips the whole electrics of my flat...", it seems that it is not on the RCD side of a split load, could it be that it has nothing to do with the RCD?, unless the main switch in the CCU is an RCD ???, just wondring...could it be that the motor gets hot after a while and than mechanically (expending, bearings), gets 'hard points' and overloads?
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Reply #11 - Apr 4th, 2005, 5:48pm
 
Must be a main RCD - how else could a fault on an appliance on the end of a 13A plug take out the entire supply?

My vote stays with that ever popular combination of water, electricity, and an earthed conductive part.
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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #12 - Apr 4th, 2005, 6:06pm
 
[quote author=ban-all-sheds  link=1111497761/0#11 date=1112633285]Must be a main RCD - how else could a fault on an appliance on the end of a 13A plug take out the entire supply?. [/quote]
Funny that, I am asking the same question... Grin
May be Craig could supply a bit more details, BAS, you might be right but having 30 years of trubbleshooting experience (not as electrician), I never take things forgranted, it is possible that there is no RCD in this CCU, it is possible that the WM is connected directly no fused plug etc... (sounds stupid, but I'm sure that in your experience as Sparky you have seen wors)
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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #13 - Apr 4th, 2005, 6:19pm
 
But he's not a sparky, and thought we had come to the conclusion he had an RCD..
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Reply #14 - Apr 4th, 2005, 9:05pm
 
[quote author=L.Spark  link=1111497761/0#13 date=1112635196]But he's not a sparky, and thought we had come to the conclusion he had an RCD.. [/quote]
Sorry to be difficult (what's new...? Tongue), but the RCD idea is an assunption, not a fact...(it could be correct or maybe not...), no one in these posts confirm that a RCD tripped.
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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #15 - Apr 4th, 2005, 9:27pm
 
This bugs me a bit, why do people post a query like this then bugger off without responding to the replies?

This was started on March 22nd, nearly 2 weeks ago, so where is 'craig'??  ???
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Reply #16 - Apr 4th, 2005, 9:45pm
 
[quote author=JerryD  link=1111497761/15#15 date=1112646420]

This was started on March 22nd, nearly 2 weeks ago, so where is 'craig'??  ??? [/quote]
Ibiza... hand washing... Grin
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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #17 - Apr 4th, 2005, 10:46pm
 
Sometimes you don't get a reply, usualy you get a thank you though, ungratefull people!!  Roll Eyes
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Reply #18 - Apr 4th, 2005, 10:49pm
 
Perhaps we should send him a bill ?
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Reply #19 - Apr 4th, 2005, 10:50pm
 
He might be down the laundrette  Roll Eyes
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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #20 - Apr 5th, 2005, 12:26am
 
he's down your coinstar Jerry  Grin
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Reply #21 - Apr 5th, 2005, 1:23am
 
coinstar? wozzat  ???
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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #22 - Apr 5th, 2005, 9:37am
 
Launderette  Cheesy
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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #23 - Apr 5th, 2005, 7:51pm
 
See, I wouldn't know about stuff like that, I have a maid to do my laundry.

(I call her 'the wife')

(if she ever finds this post, I'm dead!)  Roll Eyes Kiss Grin
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Reply #24 - Apr 5th, 2005, 8:54pm
 
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tis ok, she won't know about stuff like this (forum)  Grin
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Reply #25 - Apr 5th, 2005, 9:58pm
 
[quote author=JerryD  link=1111497761/15#23 date=1112727080](if she ever finds this post, I'm dead!)  Roll Eyes Kiss Grin [/quote]
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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #26 - Apr 6th, 2005, 12:12am
 
That's very suggestive BAS  Grin
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Re: Washing machine tripping electrics
Reply #27 - Apr 11th, 2005, 2:57pm
 
SORRY & THANKYOU. I did type my reply but it obviously didn't work. Anyway, the sparky came out, took the back & top off, said everything looked ok, tried to start the machine & it worked !! He came to the conclusion that two wires must have been touching & when he pulled it out (the machine) he dislodged them again. He was there 10 minutes, wanted to charge £63, took £45 for cash. You guys are on more than the Prime Minister, surprised you've heard of Ibiza, you should be holidaying in the seychelles.
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Reply #28 - Apr 11th, 2005, 5:37pm
 
[quote author=Craig  link=1111497761/15#27 date=1113227877] surprised you've heard of Ibiza, you should be holidaying in the seychelles. [/quote]


Ibiza is where our chauffeurs goes on holiday.

Seychelles?  Hmmmm, not bad but gets boring after a couple of months........................  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Wink
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Reply #29 - Apr 11th, 2005, 11:45pm
 
Boring?!, I ought to find out  Wink Grin

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Yea that sounds more like it  Smiley
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