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Re: will this be alright?
Reply #17 - Oct 29th, 2004, 8:28pm
 
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24 amp rated cable


19.5A in a wall or something, ring mains were under threat because it was thought that if cables were run in insulation or similar the cables would not be able to take the load.

However there was many tests and it was mutually agreed that the 2.5mm cable can take 20A in those circumstances


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Reply #18 - Oct 29th, 2004, 11:05pm
 
Can I ask a quick question here?  If the cable is rated at 20 amps, how is it that you can use a 32a MCB?

My understanding is:

Design current </= Protective device </= Cable rating

I presume there is some 'correction' to be applied because it is a ring?

I need to know, my exams are soon  Cry
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Reply #19 - Oct 29th, 2004, 11:47pm
 
A cable rating in a ring must exceed 2/3 of the rating of the protective device (there's a specific reg).  This is due to the assumed typical spread of a load.  It works in practice, but if you think through the theory and want a 100% safe system, then radials are the way forward.  Mind you, if you start thinking of this, issues such as double sockets not being rated at 26A are raised, along with many other faults permissible within BS7671.
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Reply #20 - Oct 30th, 2004, 12:01am
 
but 2/3 of 32 amps is 21.33 amps, still more than the 20 amp rating of the cable.  How is this allowed?
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Re: will this be alright?
Reply #21 - Oct 30th, 2004, 12:17am
 
[quote author=JerryD  link=1098546631/15#18 date=1099087519]Can I ask a quick question here?  If the cable is rated at 20 amps, how is it that you can use a 32a MCB?

My understanding is:

Design current </= Protective device </= Cable rating

I presume there is some 'correction' to be applied because it is a ring?

I need to know, my exams are soon  Cry [/quote]

Hello Jerry

What was asked had no reference to a ring circuit.

Hope your exams go well for you and you get the mark you want.
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Re: will this be alright?
Reply #22 - Oct 30th, 2004, 12:21am
 
[quote author=JerryD  link=1098546631/15#20 date=1099090875]but 2/3 of 32 amps is 21.33 amps, still more than the 20 amp rating of the cable.  How is this allowed? [/quote]

I want to put this to rest  Wink

but to awnser your question, ring mains are an exception where the IEE regulations set out the maxium floor area surved, the type and size of cable that can be used, and maxium cable length

This allows a ring main of 32A using 2.5mm Twin+Earth Cable + 100M of Cable in total.

You could as an alternative have a Radial of 50m of 2.5mm T+E on a 20A CC

Or Radial of 100m with 4mm Twin Cable, with a CB rated at 32A..
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Reply #23 - Oct 30th, 2004, 12:27am
 
Thanks for the info.  I hope this question comes up in the exam!!  Smiley
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Reply #24 - Oct 30th, 2004, 7:06pm
 
[quote author=JerryD  link=1098546631/15#20 date=1099090875]but 2/3 of 32 amps is 21.33 amps, still more than the 20 amp rating of the cable.  How is this allowed? [/quote]
burried in a normal non insulating wall counts as method 1 (the same as clipped direct) and the rating of 2.5mm in that situation is considerablly more than 20A (though not as high as 32A)




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Reply #25 - Oct 31st, 2004, 3:32pm
 
22 or 24A from the top of my head?
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Reply #26 - Oct 31st, 2004, 5:13pm
 
[quote author=sparkyjonny  link=1098546631/15#25 date=1099236723]22 or 24A from the top of my head? [/quote]

Table 4D5A says clipped direct has CCC of 27A
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Reply #27 - Nov 15th, 2004, 11:52am
 
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Re: will this be alright?
Reply #28 - Nov 15th, 2004, 12:19pm
 
Read that awhile back, the findings was the important bit  8)
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Reply #29 - Nov 15th, 2004, 5:02pm
 
But back to the plot - what kind of dork goes to all the trouble of burying SWA, knowing that it will be covered with concrete and paving, and only puts in 2.5mm?

Stupid git.
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Reply #30 - Nov 15th, 2004, 5:53pm
 
or in my case 1.5mm

the answer is those who see the current ratings in the sheds and don't know about the concept of voltage drop (or don't realise its significant)

also i still think you can get away with a lot more voltage drop than the regs allow for

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Reply #31 - Nov 15th, 2004, 6:31pm
 
Yep, for a typical shed load (light, 500w heater, occasional lawnmower) then it's not as big a issue as it's made out to be.  Remember volt drop is determined by the drawn current, and is calculated from the design current, not rating of the protective device, so under normal low current loads, the volt drop may well be acceptable.
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Reply #32 - Nov 15th, 2004, 7:07pm
 
And there was I thinking that volt-drop was affected by the electrical resistance of the cable too........!

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Reply #33 - Nov 15th, 2004, 8:33pm
 
Nope, thats totally irrelivant TT!! lol!  I meant the variable which can change after installation.
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