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Oct 28^th, 2004, 12:27am

I've had my house inspected by an NICEIC approved company who have given me a list of improvements to be made and a quote. The company are only approved to do "initial verification and/or Periodic Inspection". Can they do the job? How do I know if a company/electrician is competent and what completion certificates etc do they have to provide? Anything else I need to check?

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Reply #1 - Oct 28^th, 2004, 1:33am

well, get a few quotes not just the one
there are plenty of good sparks on this forum- many cover london and would probrably quote you for work
the next best way of finding a electrician is by word of mouth from family /or your mates
niceic means they will be qualifyed
but dosnt mean they are any better that somone who isnt niceic approved so dont be put off
personly i wouldent reccomend you look in yellow pages or the like

what have they quoted you and for what?
im not far out of london and will tell you if they are taking the mickey!

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LSpark Global Moderator Trade Member Author Offline Posts: 8069 Total Thanks: 3 For This Post: 0 London, UK United Kingdom Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: Employing an electrician Reply #2 - Oct 28^th, 2004, 8:14pm Hey TwoSheds As supersparks said really, some more info on the improvments stated and quotes given would be helpfull, then we can better advise you.
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Reply #3 - Oct 29^th, 2004, 9:52am

Thanks for all the replies. The quote is for �795 to "rectify all faults in section F of NICEIC periodic report". I need to get full details of work proposed but the main things are that RCD at present covers all circuits so I assume I will need a new split CU, and insufficient sockets in all rooms & supp bonding.
My orig question was about the qualifications needed by the electrician/company. If I employ someone to install a gas boiler I need to make sure they are CORGI registered. But whats the equivalent with electricians? and will this change next year?

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sparkyjonny GDPR opt-out Total Thanks: 0 For This Post: 0	Re: Employing an electrician Reply #4 - Oct 29^th, 2004, 11:16am Until Jan there are no requirements - NICEIC are the most popular trade body, but does not mean that their work will definately be sound, or that a non-member's work will be dangerous. Supplementary bonding is the only item from your list that needs attention straightaway.
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Reply #5 - Nov 1^st, 2004, 6:26pm

Yep, there's nothing you mention that needs urgent attention apart from the bonding.
An RCD supplying the complete board is just an inconvenience. Split-load is better but not compulsory.

Number of skts? Up to you, but again, this is not a non-compliance.

Suitable electrician? Ask for City & Gulds 2381 and 2391 as a minimum. Also ensure that the guy has Public Liability insurance.

NICEICE etc? Just bells & whistles, and remember who is paying for the fancy logo on his van - YOU!

TT

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The_Trician Trade Member Offline Posts: 7721 Total Thanks: 8 For This Post: 0 Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: Employing an electrician Reply #6 - Nov 1^st, 2004, 6:28pm BTW - You wouldn't be Arthur 'Two-Sheds' Jackson would you? Two-sheds are better than one - you know it makes sense! TT
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sparkyjonny GDPR opt-out Total Thanks: 8 For This Post: 0	Re: Employing an electrician Reply #7 - Nov 1^st, 2004, 11:02pm The number of socket recommendations are advisory, suggested by the NHBC amongst others. The only mention in the regs is that there should be sufficient numbers asto remove the need for long trailing flexes which could be a tripping hazard. Like your comment about silence, TT!
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rabbit_rabbit GDPR opt-out Total Thanks: 8 For This Post: 0	Re: Employing an electrician Reply #8 - Nov 4^th, 2004, 2:51pm �795!! typical NIC company rip off charges! All the work you describe can be done for half that even in London. RR
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tellondon GDPR opt-out Total Thanks: 8 For This Post: 0	Re: Employing an electrician Reply #9 - Nov 4^th, 2004, 4:25pm Two sheds didnt mention how many extra sockets they were planning to add Ray and that could include changing the board to a split load RCD board,so i wouldnt jump to conclutions and say the price is unfair as it really depends on the amount of sockets they were planning to add
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rabbit_rabbit GDPR opt-out Total Thanks: 8 For This Post: 0	Re: Employing an electrician Reply #10 - Nov 5^th, 2004, 8:17pm Now that is true Tellondon (SmartMan). OK comment withdrawn with apologies to all those lovely NICEIC Members. RR (to be NAPIT Member)
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LSpark Global Moderator Trade Member Author Offline Posts: 8069 Total Thanks: 3 For This Post: 0 London, UK United Kingdom Gender: Trade: Electrician	Re: Employing an electrician Reply #11 - Nov 6^th, 2004, 1:46am lol Ray, wasnt exactly that bad Maybe a few quid here or there, but who knows whats to be done as tell said
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Reply #12 - Dec 13^th, 2004, 4:54pm

Thanks everyone for your help. I have now had another quote from a local lectrician and he laughed at the first quote because he said there was no requirement to install extra sockets or put in a split load CU. Just as TT said. He is going to do the x-bonding and sup bonding etc. and install a SELV humidity fan in the wall above the shower for £275.
sparkyjonny - They call me TwoSheds because I once had an old Anderson Shelter as a shed and then I built a nice new brick one, so for a time I had two sheds.
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Reply #13 - Feb 5^th, 2005, 12:06am

I've had the work done at last. The first PIR had said the meter leads are undersized (16mm) and was coded 1 (urgent). The NICEIC lectrician who did the improvements said the Wylex CU (6 way 3036 I think) would not take 25mm cables so he was happy to give me a PIR with no recommendations. So one is saying it's dangerous and one is saying it's safe. Who is right?

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Reply #14 - Feb 5^th, 2005, 1:47am

[quote author=TwoSheds link=1098919645/0#13 date=1107561977]I've had the work done at last [/quote]
Finnaly Grin

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The first PIR had said the meter leads are undersized (16mm) and was coded 1 (urgent)

Only urgent if you had 100A fuse, which I strongly doubt

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The NICEIC lectrician who did the improvements said the Wylex CU (6 way 3036 I think) would not take 25mm cables

True, best to rip out old 3036 boards, I was doing a job and needed to upgrade earthing, wouldnt take the 16mm earth, that was them out with.

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So one is saying it's dangerous and one is saying it's safe.

Intresting, Shouldnt be this way, were they both NICEIC?, either way they are often touting for business, on the other hand tho you should definatly have that board changed!

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Who is right?

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Reply #15 - Feb 5^th, 2005, 3:47am

16mm tails are slightly underrated for a 100A service fuse and fine for any lower service fuse

many recs quite happilly use them for the rec tails with 100A service fuses and i cant see major issues in practice unless you are pulling 100A solidly for hours on end.

its not a serious issue however the wylex standard CU probablly implies lack of RCD protection and as such should probably be replaced anyway.

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Reply #16 - Feb 5^th, 2005, 9:52pm

[quote author=TwoSheds link=1098919645/0#13 date=1107561977]So one is saying it's dangerous and one is saying it's safe. Who is right? [/quote]

Seeing at how sparky's argue about the finer points of some of the regulations and the fact that the regs don't go down to the nth detail about every single situation there will always be situations where personal opinion and experience takes over. Also not every spark has exactly the same amount of experience or commitment to the job so they will do the same job differently either due to time/job pressures or lack of experience.

So they're probably both right. ???

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