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Re: m d f  and screws
Reply #17 - Dec 21st, 2004, 12:48am
 
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Reply #18 - Dec 21st, 2004, 1:55am
 
I wish Plasplugs still made those chipboard plugs that glue in the ends of boards.
They made a much better fixing for screws and might be ideal for MDF.
They stopped making them about 1990 and when I found out I went round every local DIY shed and hardware shop buying up all they had in stock.
I got a bargain at B&Q as they sold me the last 12 strips for the price of 1 -40 plug strip.
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Reply #19 - Dec 21st, 2004, 7:31am
 
Have only used them when I need to use a standard screw into pre drilled carcases but may do the job, will try one later & let you know.

http://www.woodfit.com/product_info.php?products_id=1184&Name=Chipboard+Fastener...

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Reply #20 - Dec 21st, 2004, 5:47pm
 
Don't bother with them, split before I had tapped it all the way in!

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Reply #21 - Dec 21st, 2004, 11:16pm
 
I used something like that years ago found that it was difficult to get the hole just right either split the board or pulled out.

One fixing I have found useful is the M6 insert nut which allows the fixing to be dis-asssembled and re-assembled with no loss of strength.

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?ts=70900&id=28157
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Re: m d f  and screws
Reply #22 - Dec 22nd, 2004, 12:24am
 
thanks again for all your help people i have come to the conclusion as mdf is close pressed fibbers the only fixing that will work is one that doesnt displace more than 10% of the screw area and certainly wont work without a pilot hole as any screw will have to deflect the layers of the mdf because they cant deflect or compress the material
so unless there is a screw that can remove the material quicker than the screw goes in [imposible i think Wink]i will have to keep drilling and countersinking Lips Sealed Undecided Grin Wink
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Re: m d f  and screws
Reply #23 - Dec 22nd, 2004, 7:51am
 
One other thing when I am having problems with the MDF splitting, like on a narrow section (not necessarily a thin one), I use a G clamp to keep the MDF compressed still need to pre drill though, while driving in the screw.
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Reply #24 - Dec 22nd, 2004, 12:26pm
 
funny enough keith thats one of the solutions i worked on too if the mdf delaminates when screwing take the screw out fill with glue put the screw in a few tuns[to stop the glue comming out]clamp tightly then screw home firmly

another point i alway slightly undertighten with the drill and finnish by hand because over tightening will again delaminate the mdf
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Reply #25 - Dec 22nd, 2004, 12:50pm
 
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Reply #26 - Dec 22nd, 2004, 1:37pm
 
I don't know if it would be applicable here, but some joints, such as shelves to uprights, can be made quite well with pocket screws, this way the screw is going into the side of the upright, rather than into the edge of the shelf. Much less troublesome.
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Re: m d f  and screws
Reply #27 - Mar 6th, 2005, 12:08am
 
You could try just plain plastic rawl plugs countersunk into the end grain which may limit the amount of expansion in the MDF?... Kiss
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Re: m d f  and screws
Reply #28 - Mar 6th, 2005, 11:44pm
 
heeelllooo seaco and welome thank you for your comments  

in general i was looking for minimum operations [movements]with maximum results will try plugs and fingers crossed may help but suspect the plugs may still delaminate the layers  
but thanks for the suggestion i will try it
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Re: m d f  and screws
Reply #29 - Mar 7th, 2005, 12:15am
 
This probably won't do what you are looking for, but I'll mention it anyway.

You can get cam locks and cam dowels like the following from screwfix. These are what are used in all the finest MFI furniture for connecting cupboard shelving to uprights, so depending upon your application they might be a possibility?

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Re: m d f  and screws
Reply #30 - Mar 8th, 2005, 12:38am
 
Okay guys (and girls-well someone mentioned them!)
MDF screws, if you must use that dreaded material(me included lately) then why not try MDF screws, and here is the link!!!!http://www.quickscrew.com/screwmdfcskphillps.html  .. and yes i have used these, pilot holes a must .. read later in this posting

now then HM, the cam and dowel fixing is designed specifically for use in chip board type substrates due to the deep thread upon the dowel section, and would delaminate the mdf very rapidly,    

as for mdf fixings anyways, i once was given a fact sheet from one of my suppliers, which stated that any screw fixing must be countersunk, using pre drilled and piloted holes, due to the complete lack of compression available from the material...
hopefully this will help you guys(and girlies)
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Reply #31 - Mar 8th, 2005, 7:43am
 
Wolf

"Has a sharp spiral point allowing it to pierce the hard surface"

Thats OK for going into the surface, but the thead was about fixing into the side of 12mm board these look like they would expand it more than the powerdrives which have a thinner core diameter.

HM the cams need a hole deeper than the 12mm board Embarrassed But the dowels do work in MDF, fitted many a MDF endpanel to flat pack kitchens with these but the do need a 5mm pilot hole or you can get ones with an expanding end.

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Re: m d f  and screws
Reply #32 - Mar 8th, 2005, 12:59pm
 
i stand corrected upon the dowel /cam, i have always been advised by my suppliers NOT to use in end of mdf panels, as for the screws, they work for me, if you have any doubts why not give quickscrew a ring, and speak to them!!! Shocked
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