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Forum & Server Status as updated below.
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Reply #1 - Feb 16th, 2005, 6:08pm
 
All's Good & Ticking Over Fine And Dandy Grin
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Reply #2 - Feb 16th, 2005, 10:10pm
 
Hi Leccy

Which version of server software gives such a detailed assessment of staus ?
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Reply #3 - Feb 16th, 2005, 10:11pm
 
not this one....

im off to wind it up now else it will start loosing time

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Reply #4 - Feb 16th, 2005, 10:15pm
 
Ah - The joy of Steam power - Don't forget to riddle it well and add a couple of shovels of coke!
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Reply #5 - Feb 16th, 2005, 11:11pm
 
[quote author=Lectrician  link=1104667542/0#1 date=1108577297]All's Good & Ticking Over Fine And Dandy Grin [/quote]

anywhere to sneak in a good chat  Grin
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Reply #7 - Feb 17th, 2005, 12:37pm
 
[quote author=Lectrician  link=1104667542/0#6 date=1108625113]LOL [/quote]
Now don't get too excited ...
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Reply #8 - Feb 17th, 2005, 5:55pm
 
Sparky_si-fi Sends his love.  He is verrrry busy (as we all seem to be!)
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Reply #9 - Feb 17th, 2005, 10:34pm
 
lol, he's just a cheekey monkey  Grin

he said the same to me and he send's his 'love'   Shocked
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Reply #10 - Mar 15th, 2005, 5:42pm
 
Was the serve down last night and this morning and late afternoon today  ???

I couldnt get on to it, although I had no other probs.

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Reply #11 - Mar 15th, 2005, 6:33pm
 
Forum was well down last night and today. I had to go busy myself on the scr....x forums..... Wink

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Reply #12 - Mar 15th, 2005, 6:37pm
 
Same here HM. lmao
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Reply #13 - Mar 15th, 2005, 6:37pm
 
router again
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Reply #14 - Mar 15th, 2005, 6:39pm
 
[quote author=supersparky  link=1104667542/0#13 date=1110911866]router again [/quote]

Time to get a new router maybe. Or even better, host the forums with an ISP - that way they get the pain and agro. I would think the cost of getting the forums onto an ISP server would be £40 a year or less.

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Reply #15 - Mar 15th, 2005, 7:36pm
 
no way hm, not enough control for my liking and that would bite into what little cahs we have which will go towards new gear soon......

and a blodey big connection

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Reply #16 - Mar 15th, 2005, 7:42pm
 
Can't say I blame you, always feels better to have control etc.

However at Xmas I decided I wouldn't renew my reseller account (I didn't), so I moved the domains I look after for other small businesses to the server under my desk here. Immediately ran into some problems which I hadn't expected, so I signed up for an ISP arrangement where I can host up to 10 domains for £130 per year. I'm only using 4 of those presently Smiley

I found it wasn't worth the effort of trying to maintain my own server. If the server goes bang I would immediately be faced with very expensive repairs which I can't afford. If the NTL line disappears (it does occasionally) I have customers whose web sites aren't available. And if content were to appear on their domains which I hadn't authored (because someone had managed to break the security on my server) I could be held liable for having the server under my control.

At the end of the day the decision to pay the ISP was easy, and anyone visiting the web sites gets full-on bandwidth which would never have been possible on a broadband connection. Add the extra cost of hardware etc and the sums didn't add up. At least with an ISP I have a guarantee of a backup server which will be brought online should the main server go pop.

I still run one web site on my server though:

http://www.bflc.org.uk

'cos I'm kind like that Smiley

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Reply #17 - Mar 15th, 2005, 7:43pm
 
One other thing - what makes you think you would have less control? I have a control panel on my ISP arrangement where I have access to absolutely everything that I would ever have if I had the server here! And more besides.

Plus online statistics to tell me where the visitors are coming from etc.

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Reply #18 - Mar 15th, 2005, 7:47pm
 
well, to be honest were not that unreliable.

and i dont have the time to set anything up, neither does pluggy.

also where is that money going to come from?

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Reply #19 - Mar 15th, 2005, 10:01pm
 
WoOo forums back  8)
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Reply #20 - Mar 15th, 2005, 11:13pm
 
[quote author=supersparky  link=1104667542/15#18 date=1110916067]well, to be honest were not that unreliable [/quote]

Don't take it the wrong way but I reckon a few people were "inconvenienced" earlier today. I must've tried half a dozen times during the day Wink

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and i dont have the time to set anything up, neither does pluggy


Can't speak for the Linux side of things 'cos that's not my bag, but I just FTP all the web content I have on the Internet from my local server to the ISP server, just like copying files using Windows Explorer. Two minutes, mostly just watching the files fly up to the server, jobs a good 'un.

I looked at the YaBB forum software a while back. Not sure of my facts, but aren't the messages held as discrete files in directories rather than in a formal database? If so, piece of cake to transfer to a new server once you've set up the account (10 minutes), just FTP the files and job's a good 'un.

A little time to transfer the DNS obviously, but that's no big deal and a one-off.

I would reasonably expect a one-time setup to take maybe 1 hour of time, after that it just runs and runs. Server goes down, the ISP staff reboot it. And they've got all the firewalls and routers configured to stop the bad guys from giving them a bad hair day.

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also where is that money going to come from?


You mean to pay for the arrangement of hosting at an ISP?

I would reasonably expect you to get some change out of £50 per year for hosting at an ISP (hell, I could provide what you need for that cost - but I'm not offering 'cos doing things for friends never works out! Wink).

Your (and pluggy's) time for keeping the server running amounts to quite a bit I would think. You obviously won't be billing that time but if you were I would guess it would be a significant amount based upon an hourly charge. I'm talking about keeping the server running here, not keeping the forums operational - that forum time would be equal wherever they were hosted. I imagine things like Linux backups etc add to the time, and ISP's generally backup their servers as part of the grand plan.

Then there's the cost of hardware. You've paid for the server now. But if something breaks down? New CPU and/or motherboard is £100-ish. New disk drive £50-ish. Plus all the downtime whilst you get it fixed. Therein might lie a problem in so far that you want to attract sponsorship-type arrangements, and the sponsors might not be overly happy if the server isn't "reliable". Sod's law says you will have a bad hair day on the day that your potential primary sponsor takes a look.....

Cost of electricity? You are running a PC 24x7. That will be drawing 200w+ of power all the time. I don't know what sort of cost that represents, but 1/5th of a small electric fire will make a dent in the electricity bill which over the course of a year would add up. And I'm running 2x PC's here 24/7/365 so I really ought to figure that cost out.....

Then there's the contributions from the members which may well cover the remote hosting costs (obviously I have no idea what figures there will be in this regard).

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Reply #21 - Mar 15th, 2005, 11:25pm
 
server costs about 10p per 24 hours = £36.5 per year if we were running on peak all the time.

line is shared so it costs nothing that it wouldent anyway, just making use of it all the time.

if we go offline we go offline, simple as that, its a free service.
were not going after sponsership or advertising, if we were ittad be different and id get decent server gear and claim back under the buisness.
as well as a chunky line.

if i really wanted to spend out on the forums i could cover the costs pretty easly, but im tight, and i like to be in control of all my hardware/software. Grin

and i wot because i dont actuly get anything other than a forum for the trouble Roll Eyes

the problem was, as it always is, the router.
it simply colapses, if we get a better one then it wont happen.

im going to get a second line put in, i will have a big connection set up on this line.
i will buy a decent router and i will set it up on this line and thats it, job done. then if the forum raises the money, along with a contribution from me, i will buy a better server.

btw, this cost me the whole of....nothing to set up, plenty of spares, the router is all i had to buy but its shared with the home network so hardly purpose brought.

and as for time consumption, only takes a second to reboot.

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Reply #22 - Jul 26th, 2005, 6:48pm
 
so what happened today then??
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Reply #23 - Jul 26th, 2005, 7:07pm
 
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Reply #24 - Jul 26th, 2005, 7:22pm
 
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Reply #25 - Jul 26th, 2005, 7:33pm
 
lol Grin
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Reply #26 - Jul 27th, 2005, 11:20am
 
What? , caught on camera peeing in the server? Tongue

Oh no that was a plumber.  Wink
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Reply #27 - Jul 27th, 2005, 5:10pm
 
[quote author=Beanzy  link=1104667542/15#26 date=1122459646]What? , caught on camera peeing in the server? Tongue

Oh no that was a plumber.  Wink [/quote]
That's what comes of having the server in the attic.  Grin Grin
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Reply #28 - Jul 27th, 2005, 5:13pm
 
I have visions of it resing on planks of wood, surrounded by xmas decorations and boxes of shite you think you want to keep Grin

It could be in a boarded loft, with carpet, walls and everything Roll Eyes
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