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Re: Part P - when is a kitchen not a kitchen
Reply #17 - Mar 1st, 2005, 10:58pm
 
Nah, you're being over-pedantic in your interpretation of their definition - what THEY mean is - stuff like sockets, fuseboards etc which are fastened to the wall or other building fabric, not domestic appliances.

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Re: Part P - when is a kitchen not a kitchen
Reply #18 - Mar 1st, 2005, 11:07pm
 
[quote author=The_Trician  link=1108741399/15#15 date=1109706614]The cooker is an appliance - nowt to do with Part P1ss.
You can connect a cooker/washing machine/spin dryer-whatever - even an immersion heater.
It is only the fixed wiring from the circuit breaker in the consumer unit to the cooker connection unit which comes under Part P1ss, and only then if you are daft enough to tell em about it.

TT [/quote]
This was what I thought, but to please certain people's I thought I'd just go along with it  Roll Eyes

Fixed wiring is up to the CCU or FCU then!!

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the IEE definition

Btw Londonman, did you also know that Part-P has nothing to do with the IEE regulation's??, part-p set's out it's own requirements..some of them are the fundemental principles, but to be sure you need to be reading the approved document

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not domestic appliances.

Yea I go along with that
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Reply #19 - Mar 1st, 2005, 11:13pm
 
So where do we stand with

shower pumps
in-line fans in the loft
waste disposal units
garbage crushers
microwave oven in housing
storage heater
central heating pump
etc

are we saying that if it 'plugs in' it's not fixed equipment but if it connects via an fcu or ccu it is fixed equipment  ???
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Re: Part P - when is a kitchen not a kitchen
Reply #20 - Mar 2nd, 2005, 7:46am
 
Re IEE regs not applying.  Fair enough but whenthat p**s pathetic document Part P1ss states 'fixed equipment' and then does not specify what that it, it just goes to show what a poorly drafted document it is.

The fact that the ODPM won't even reply to an email just goes to show how pathetically stupid they are.  Just to rattle a few more cages i'll write to my MP and get him to ask the t***ers.

jerryD asks some good questions...let me try and guess what *they* intended (nothing like interpreting the regs is there


shower pumps           probably in
in-line fans in the loft   out
waste disposal units     dunno
garbage crushers         no idea
microwave oven in housing   out
storage heater       yes...er no...er yes...er no ..oooooh, ee's gorgeous
central heating pump   no idea
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Re: Part P - when is a kitchen not a kitchen
Reply #21 - Mar 2nd, 2005, 1:30pm
 
lmao

I'm afraid this is why I don't get involved with PP if I can help it, load of tosh  8)

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Reply #22 - Mar 7th, 2005, 1:08am
 
[quote author=L.Spark  link=1108741399/15#18 date=1109718440]but to be sure you need to be reading the approved document [/quote]
No - that's precisely where you do not need to be looking, as that document has no legal significance.

And I fear that TT, Jerry D etc are wrong.  This is what the actual law says:

" "electrical installation" means fixed electrical cables or fixed electrical equipment located on the consumer's side of the electricity supply meter;"

You don't need to be much of a lawyer to realise that it's pretty hard to think of any circumstances in which you'd be arguing the toss in court and the judge would not decide that "fixed electrical equipment" meant exactly that - electrical equipment that was fixed.

The fact that an IEE publication, whatever its status, and whatever the status of BS7671 vis-a-vis Part P of the Building Regulations, has that definition of "fixed equipment" would only encourage the judge to take the view that the normal English meaning was to be construed.

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Reply #23 - Mar 7th, 2005, 12:12pm
 
[quote author=L.Spark  link=1108741399/0#8 date=1108954018]What constitutes "fixed electrical equipment" Stoday? [/quote]

Equipment that's electrical but isn't made for the purpose of using electricity.

So an electric cooker, for example, is cooking equipment that uses electricity, and is therefore not "electrical equipment". On the  other hand a transformer is electrical equipment because it's purpose is not to use electricity (although it inadvertently does so).

I like the oxymoronic aspect of the definition.  Grin
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Re: Part P - when is a kitchen not a kitchen
Reply #24 - Mar 7th, 2005, 1:35pm
 
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No - that's precisely where you do not need to be looking, as that document has no legal significance.

I was unaware that the stat document specified such things.. Roll Eyes

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This is what the actual law says

Which one?

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Equipment that's electrical but isn't made for the purpose of using electricity

lol, duno about that
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Reply #25 - Mar 8th, 2005, 11:32am
 
[quote author=L.Spark  link=1108741399/15#24 date=1110202534]

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No - that's precisely where you do not need to be looking, as that document has no legal significance.


I was unaware that the stat document specified such things.. Roll Eyes [/quote]
It doesn't - it just uses terms like "fixed electrical equipment".  Which IMHO have a fairly obvious meaning which would be construed by LABC or a judge...

[quote author=L.Spark  link=1108741399/15#24 date=1110202534]

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This is what the actual law says


Which one? [/quote]

I was under the impression that we were talking about Part P of the Building Regs...

http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2004/20043210.htm
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Re: Part P - when is a kitchen not a kitchen
Reply #26 - Mar 8th, 2005, 11:44pm
 
[quote author=ban-all-sheds  link=1108741399/15#25 date=1110281556]

I was unaware that the stat document specified such things.. Roll EyesIt doesn't - it just uses terms like "fixed electrical equipment".  Which IMHO have a fairly obvious meaning which would be construed by LABC or a judge... [/quote]
Yea fair do's, btw still have not read document's back to front  Wink

takes up too much time referencing backwards and forwards, bloOdy legal documents for you, there clearly not made to be very accesible  Roll Eyes

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Thought so, but need to be clear about these things  Wink
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