Three bed semi - clearly there is a separate room identifiable as a kitchen.

But what about a studio flat? One large room with a kitchen worktop and cooker down one end.  Rest of the room is living accomodation and a bed. Could one argue that the room is not a kitchen?

In open plan type flats/houses, the kitchen is the area around the sink/cooker. I think that there is a defined number of metres that demarcates the area, but I haven't got that number to hand. Something like 3m from some point.


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Found this info on the IEE forums.

"Kitchen is defined in the Building Regulations as 'a room or part of a room which contains a sink and food preparation facilities'.

As a guide only, in open plan areas the zone of a kitchen may be considered to extend from the edge of the sink to a distance of 3m or to a nearer dividing wall." from the The December 2004 amendment to approved document P from http://www.iee.org/Forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=205&threadid=4553&enterthr...

So does this mean that if, for example, just a cooker needs replacing  then it comes under Part P ?

The fixed wiring only goes up to the point of the fused-connection-unit, where the cooker or appliance is connected via flex..

What constitutes "fixed electrical equipment" Stoday?

haha  , would be nice if that was the only bad thing about it Chaddy  

Still no reply..surprise, surprise.

So I looked up the Brown book aka 16th edition.

Definition of Fixed Equipment...Equipment designed to be fastened to a support or otherwise secured in a specific location.

So a built-in cooker is 'fixed equipment' and so should be included under part P.  A standalone cooker is not.

So..replacing a built-in cooker...not notifiable

Replacing a standalone cooker with a built-in cooker....that is notifiable!

And notice that the definition says 'designed to be fastened' so we can't get away with not screwing in the built-in cooker!

The pedant in me would also argue that ceiling roses are also fixed since you screw them to the ceiling.

L.Spark...does that mean 'replacement' cookers as well need inspecting? Built-in and/or free standing?

I share your sentiments but the lawyer in me says that Part P states that 'fixed equipment' is covered and the IEE definition is  

Definition of Fixed Equipment...Equipment designed to be fastened to a support or otherwise secured in a specific location

so since a built-in cooker is secured in a specific location......???

[quote author=The_Trician  link=1108741399/15#15 date=1109706614]The cooker is an appliance - nowt to do with Part P1ss.
You can connect a cooker/washing machine/spin dryer-whatever - even an immersion heater.
It is only the fixed wiring from the circuit breaker in the consumer unit to the cooker connection unit which comes under Part P1ss, and only then if you are daft enough to tell em about it.

TT [/quote]
This was what I thought, but to please certain people's I thought I'd just go along with it  

Fixed wiring is up to the CCU or FCU then!!

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Btw Londonman, did you also know that Part-P has nothing to do with the IEE regulation's??, part-p set's out it's own requirements..some of them are the fundemental principles, but to be sure you need to be reading the approved document

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Yea I go along with that

Re IEE regs not applying.  Fair enough but whenthat p**s pathetic document Part P1ss states 'fixed equipment' and then does not specify what that it, it just goes to show what a poorly drafted document it is.

The fact that the ODPM won't even reply to an email just goes to show how pathetically stupid they are.  Just to rattle a few more cages i'll write to my MP and get him to ask the t***ers.

jerryD asks some good questions...let me try and guess what *they* intended (nothing like interpreting the regs is there


shower pumps           probably in
in-line fans in the loft   out
waste disposal units     dunno
garbage crushers         no idea
microwave oven in housing   out
storage heater       yes...er no...er yes...er no ..oooooh, ee's gorgeous
central heating pump   no idea

[quote author=L.Spark  link=1108741399/15#18 date=1109718440]but to be sure you need to be reading the approved document [/quote]
No - that's precisely where you do not need to be looking, as that document has no legal significance.

And I fear that TT, Jerry D etc are wrong.  This is what the actual law says:

" "electrical installation" means fixed electrical cables or fixed electrical equipment located on the consumer's side of the electricity supply meter;"

You don't need to be much of a lawyer to realise that it's pretty hard to think of any circumstances in which you'd be arguing the toss in court and the judge would not decide that "fixed electrical equipment" meant exactly that - electrical equipment that was fixed.

The fact that an IEE publication, whatever its status, and whatever the status of BS7671 vis-a-vis Part P of the Building Regulations, has that definition of "fixed equipment" would only encourage the judge to take the view that the normal English meaning was to be construed.

IMPO.

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I was unaware that the stat document specified such things..

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Which one?

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lol, duno about that

[quote author=ban-all-sheds  link=1108741399/15#25 date=1110281556]

I was unaware that the stat document specified such things.. It doesn't - it just uses terms like "fixed electrical equipment".  Which IMHO have a fairly obvious meaning which would be construed by LABC or a judge... [/quote]
Yea fair do's, btw still have not read document's back to front  

takes up too much time referencing backwards and forwards, bloOdy legal documents for you, there clearly not made to be very accesible  

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Thought so, but need to be clear about these things