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16A mcb on 1.5mm2
Mar 19th, 2005, 5:15pm
 
Went to visit a customer who requested me to install 2 wall lights and one pendant light, the wiring was already in place, as this is an extended and rewired house (not by me).  I turned off the mcb that was installed for this lighting circuit and to my surprise the mcb value was 16A for 1.5 mm2 wire, I found 2 other lighting circuits with 16A mcb's.
I had a spare 6A mcb and changed one of the 16A mcb with the intention to change the other 2 after the week end.
I am sure that I don't have to explain the reasons why I changed this mcb, my question is:  As I'm still doing part 2 (last exam June 2005), I can't register yet, but the original job is not notifiable so i could do it .  Your opinion concerning the mcb part, as it is a simple thing to do but have i done the right thing considering BS7671 and part P?  ???
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Re: 16A mcb on 1.5mm2
Reply #1 - Mar 20th, 2005, 12:13am
 
Problem is changing the breakers is not part of minor works as far as I know..

They should have all 16A changed to 6A/10A if it's to comply to BS7671
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Re: 16A mcb on 1.5mm2
Reply #2 - Mar 20th, 2005, 2:08am
 
exactly how does a lighting cuircuit in 1.5mm on a B16 not comply?
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Re: 16A mcb on 1.5mm2
Reply #3 - Mar 20th, 2005, 9:15am
 
[quote author=plugwash  link=1111252515/0#2 date=1111284507]exactly how does a lighting cuircuit in 1.5mm on a B16 not comply? [/quote]

surely by the time you take into account correction factors (insulation most probable) and installation method (unless clipped direct) then the 1.5 cable is rated below 16A.  This is not good is it  ???
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Reply #4 - Mar 20th, 2005, 10:25am
 
[quote author=plugwash  link=1111252515/0#2 date=1111284507]exactly how does a lighting cuircuit in 1.5mm on a B16 not comply? [/quote]

I think by the fact that the cable can carry less current than the mcb, the cable is not protected...
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Re: 16A mcb on 1.5mm2
Reply #5 - Mar 20th, 2005, 1:36pm
 
[quote author=plugwash  link=1111252515/0#2 date=1111284507]exactly how does a lighting cuircuit in 1.5mm on a B16 not comply? [/quote]
Read BS 7671 requirements

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nope

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I think by the fact that the cable can carry less current than the mcb, the cable is not protected...

Making the cable the fuse  Roll Eyes
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Re: 16A mcb on 1.5mm2
Reply #6 - Mar 20th, 2005, 3:40pm
 
[quote author=akuk  link=1111252515/0#4 date=1111314353]

I think by the fact that the cable can carry less current than the mcb, the cable is not protected... [/quote]


what you must remember is thats not actuly true  :P

it depends on instalation methods, length, disconnection, earth loop, ect ect

ive seen immersions wired in 1.5 on 16s

but i wouldn't accept it if i was running the site!
same as i wouldent accept the CCT you have just found.

but remember lighting dosn't have to be a 6 or a 10 ;)

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Re: 16A mcb on 1.5mm2
Reply #7 - Mar 20th, 2005, 3:50pm
 
As SS said..

The point is that any rating can be used as long as the cable has that continual current carrying capacity under installation conditions  8)
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Reply #8 - Mar 23rd, 2005, 9:34pm
 
[quote author=L.Spark  link=1111252515/0#7 date=1111333859]As SS said..

The point is that any rating can be used as long as the cable has that continual current carrying capacity under installation conditions  8) [/quote]

You are 100% right in a general case, in this case we are dealing with specific  and known parameters.  According to table 6D1 (OSG), the best you can get for 1.5mm2 is 20A metode 1, (no cf), this circuit supplies the upstairs lighting, goes through the loft, under the boards, which are covered by thermal  insulation...I don't beleive that there in any place where you will (or should) not use correction factors.  Methode 4 will allow only 14.5A before using CF...
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Re: 16A mcb on 1.5mm2
Reply #9 - Mar 24th, 2005, 12:18am
 
Knowing all the parameters you could be specific, but I didn’t.., but as you say it runs trough thermal insulation, therefore it’s out of the question

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I don't beleive that there in any place where you will (or should) not use correction factors.  Methode 4 will allow only 14.5A before using CF...

yes but this is why we often rate 1mm 6A, 1.5mm 6A/10A, because if you work it out you're covered, obviously you can only run cables so far before Z's too high..most people won't be sitting down working these things out..
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