Hi guys, was lookin for your advice. I'm competitant and wishing to do City and Guilds 2381 and 2391. I would ideally like to do them in as shorter space as possible. Anyone know who offers courses lasting a few days? Preferably in the london area / Hertfrodshire/ Buckinghamshire area.

Many Thanks

Chris

im sure i've heared of places offering 2391 to those with no more than 2381.

Hello Chris_Rogers

What SS has said is correct, however you can undertake the 2381 without any previous qualification's, a large number of BT guy's go on this course and most will have no electrical experience.

Like PW suggested, there are some colleges that will take you on 2391 with minimum qualifications, however most don't want to run the risk you won't get trough the course as it looks bad on them, and that is why there are entry requirements, as it happens, unless you have electrical knowledge already, you will struggle to get trough testing, and you won't know the reason’s why we do what we do.

I would strongly suggest doing the 10-week courses held by most colleges as there is a higher success rate than the 2-day/3-day courses, and the shorter courses can cost more.

Take a look at this link to get an idea of the cost of the short course

http://www.techniquetraining.co.uk/electrical%20short%20courses.htm

is this a new rule SS?  I've got my 2381 and hope to start a 2391 course this year.

However I don't have 2330 or 2361   (how did they let me do the 2381 course and exam?)

Does this mean I can't do 2391?

In any event, 2391 is not a requirement for part p registration is it?  I know you have to be 'up to speed' with testing and inspecting but I didn't think 2391 was an actual requirement.

Am I wrong?

[quote author=supersparky  link=1107199294/0#5 date=1107280332]well, according to city and guilds, you MUST have 2381 to get on 2391.

to get on 2381 you MUST have 2330 parts 1 2 and 3

or you must have 2361

thats straight from the c+g cos i dident wanna bother with 2381

so whatever these courses are allowing you to do without part 1 and 2 then it cant be the full 2381 or must be missing something.

also, it wouldent look good if you say to somone "i have 2381 and 2391......."


there first question will be
".....wheres 2361?"

ss [/quote]

Not so, I did my 2381 (exam only) at a local college. I was never asked for anything, other than a cheque for £25.  From my research, it is the course provider that make recommendations as to the entry requirements. Many colleges advise having electrical installation experience and a familiarity with the application of the regulations as a prerequisite for entry to 2381.  The reason for this being that 2381 is essentially 'refresher course'.

I am booked to do my 2391 with another provider, again exam and practical test only. this time the fees are £30 for the exam and £100 for the practical. They did not ask if I had my 2381 either.

The short courses that accompany the exams are, essentially, exam preparation courses.  There are other ways to prepare for exams eg stelf study.  
As for Part P, it depends on the scheme you join and the level of work wish to carry out.  I want to join Napit Level A - Full scope scheme, thus require both 2381 and 2391.

However I did not start from scratch, I have an HNC in Electrical Engineering and a few year of domestic work (albeit occasional) behind me.  All I want to be is a knowledgable, competent and properly certified person to carry out domestic work.  

Just a final comment, if you have little or no backgroud in electrical work beware the outfits that claim 'be a quailified spark in 8 weeks'.

Hi guys, thanx for the replies.

In regards to the longer courses being better, especially for the 2391 course, i have ordered myself a set of test gear so i can get to grips with the ideas ahead of a course.

Would also appriciate it if you could recomend any books i should buy!

[quote author=supersparky  link=1107199294/0#5 date=1107280332]well, according to city and guilds, you MUST have 2381 to get on 2391.

to get on 2381 you MUST have 2330 parts 1 2 and 3

or you must have 2361

thats straight from the c+g cos i dident wanna bother with 2381 [/quote]
As far as I was aware it was a recommendation by C&G, will see if I can find the information...

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Highly unlikely

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But people would be silly if they thought they were an electrician just by taking 238 & 239 courses, there add on courses to existing qualifications

I think you will find the 2381 course is pretty much open to anyone to take

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You will need to, 2391 expects you to have at least some knowledge in the field of testing and make's an assumption you are already actively inspecting and testing electrical installations..

[quote author=L.Spark  link=1107199294/0#12 date=1107298856]

2391 expects you to have at least some knowledge in the field of testing and make's an assumption you are already actively inspecting and testing electrical installations..
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but as from Jan 1st you won't be actively inspecting and testing unless you're already registered, in which case you've already got 2391

ok, you could be inspecting and testing 'for fun' but unless you're with a 'scheme' your inspections and tests mean nothing  

[quote author=JerryD  link=1107199294/0#14 date=1107299681]
but as from Jan 1st you won't be actively inspecting and testing unless you're already registered, in which case you've already got 2391

ok, you could be inspecting and testing 'for fun' but unless you're with a 'scheme' your inspections and tests mean nothing   [/quote]

My understanding is that you do not require either 2391 or be in a 'Comepent Person Scheme' to carry out testing. (see page 8 of the ODPM Part doc).  Possession of a 2391 cert would be one way of showing competence.  

Part P relates to notifiable work only.  If no work has been carried out it does not apply.  A PIR is not notifiable and can be carried out by someone who can demonstrate competence and follow BS7671.  The issue of a PIR certificate is part of BS7671 that is why they are freely available  from the IEE.

However, it is no longer possible to issue an EIC unless you are a member of a Competent Person scheme as this would involve notifiable work.

Most schemes require 2391 or other prove of competence if you are carring out work that will require an EIC.

You can however issue a MWC without being a member of a scheme but can demonstrate competence.

In my own circumstances, it is perfectly possible for me to do domstic work.  If it is within the scope of Part P then I have to notify the LABC and pay £37. They will then inspect on 1st fix and be present when I test and certify.  This allows me to get the work done I need to show for the scheme 'assessment'.