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Re: part p
Reply #34 - Mar 23rd, 2005, 1:42am
 
£650 is materials also then or am I getting this wrong  ???
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Re: part p
Reply #35 - Mar 23rd, 2005, 1:43am
 
yeh not sure either

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Re: part p
Reply #36 - Mar 23rd, 2005, 1:44am
 
yeh i'd want to know costing of everything, but sounds to me as if it's a little overpriced..

I know people can get wrong idea because they just see figures and materials can be a high percentage, and so people jump to conclusions, not to say you are bstyle..
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Re: part p
Reply #37 - Mar 23rd, 2005, 1:48am
 
[quote author=L.Spark  link=1108845227/30#34 date=1111542146]£650 is materials also then or am I getting this wrong  ??? [/quote]


Sorry, yes that includes materials but theres not that much

£20 per light =    £60 for three
Extractor       =    £30
RCD              =    £30
General Mats=   £100 (me being generous)
All excluding vat

Total £260 including vat

Thats £390 labour including vat and me being generous on the materials
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Re: part p
Reply #38 - Mar 23rd, 2005, 1:53am
 
Mats?! lol

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Reply #39 - Mar 23rd, 2005, 1:55am
 
[quote author=L.Spark  link=1108845227/30#38 date=1111542824]Mats?! lol

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Materials!

Sorry it must be my Devonshire accent  Wink
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Re: part p
Reply #40 - Mar 23rd, 2005, 1:58am
 
lol, was going to say, mat's surely wouldnt be required  Wink
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Reply #41 - Mar 23rd, 2005, 5:56pm
 
have you never heard of a bath mat  Roll Eyes Grin

PartP requirement "all bathrooms should have rubber mats"

Grin lol
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Reply #42 - Mar 23rd, 2005, 10:07pm
 
Part Pee requirement - all beds should have rubber sheets.
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Re: part p
Reply #43 - Mar 24th, 2005, 2:12am
 
lol, you silly billyyyys!  Grin
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Re: part p
Reply #44 - Mar 26th, 2005, 4:03pm
 
Just to get back on track. The IEE say...

Quote: When Part P comes into effect there will be two routes for those carrying out 'notifiable' electrical installation work in dwellings to demonstrate that they have complied with the requirements.

The first is to join a competent person self-certification scheme.

The second is to submit a building notice to the local authority.
End Quote

If you are putting in a new ring for example what will BC require exactly? Where can the DIYer learn what drawings and fees are required?


Answering my own question in part...

http://www.tameside.gov.uk/tmbc3/brchouse.htm

Appears to suggest that to add a ring to my garage I would have to pay a fee of around £119 but can choose if I want to submit plans or not (Full plans proceedure or Building Notice proceedure)...








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Re: part p
Reply #45 - Mar 27th, 2005, 12:19pm
 
[quote author=JerryD  link=1108845227/15#16 date=1111528601]    I already have CG 2381  Cheesy  and was considering doing the 2391 but places on courses are a problem around here.

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Greetings  to everyone and especially to the ones like me hoping to go for  the 2391 PRACTICAL exam ...one day Sad

Anyway, a  big chocolate egg to anyone answering these two questions:

1. Re: a periodic inspection on an existing installation .

Whilst doing an isulation resistence test , can one connect DIRECT onto the phase busbar, neutral terminal and earth terminal direct BUT obviously after checking system has been isolated, INSTEAD of doing each circuit individually ?
(all sensitive equipment removed or switches left open where it is not
practical to do so)

2. again to do with a periodic inspection on an existing installation .

If you have no diagrams or previous inspection records and you want to check the continuity of protective conductors and bonding, according to Guidance
Notes 3 , if you have steel trunking and conduit SWA and MICC cable, this will create parallel paths.
Should it be done prior to fixing accessories so as this is a periodic with no records or even if it had records, what is the best way of checking the
continuity of CPC and bonding?

Cheers.
And a chocolate Easter bunny to anyone remembering any funny mistakes from the practical exam. What BIG TIME blunders did you see candidates make ?

PS. don't be shy, chocolate is GOOD for you
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Re: part p
Reply #46 - Mar 28th, 2005, 1:02am
 
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don't be shy, chocolate is GOOD for you


No, correction, chocolate is bad for you, and especialy virtual chocolate, but can be good for you depending apon how you look at it, if you stare at it too long I would think it be quite bad for you  Wink

Now I notice you have asked this exact same question on Screwflux forums, and so I wonder why you have come here too?..

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Whilst doing an isulation resistence test

Whilst doing dead tests on an isolated installation you can do what you like...can't you?......

Quote:
If you have no diagrams or previous inspection records and you want to check the continuity of protective conductors and bonding, according to Guidance  
Notes 3 , if you have steel trunking and conduit SWA and MICC cable, this will create parallel paths.
Should it be done prior to fixing accessories so as this is a periodic with no records or even if it had records, what is the best way of checking the  
continuity of CPC and bonding?

Now to me that doesn't really make sense, regardless of fixing accessories, you would need to remove any 'parallel paths' as best as possible, and if you cannot then you should expect readings to be off slightly, dependent upon installation conditions..?

If you have questions like these, did you ask you're college lecturer, he/she should be the one to explain anything you're not too sure about.. Roll Eyes
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Re: part p
Reply #47 - Mar 28th, 2005, 1:20pm
 
[quote author=L.Spark  link=1108845227/45#46 date=1111968125]

Quoted:  << If you have no diagrams or previous inspection records and you want to check the continuity of protective conductors and bonding, according to Guidance   Notes 3 , if you have steel trunking and conduit SWA and MICC cable, this will create parallel paths.  
Should it be done prior to fixing accessories so as this is a periodic with no records or even if it had records, what is the best way of checking the  
continuity of CPC and bonding?   >>
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Now to me that doesn't really make sense, regardless of fixing accessories, you would need to remove any 'parallel paths' as best as possible, and if you cannot then you should expect readings to be off slightly, dependent upon installation conditions..?
Roll Eyes [/quote]

Thank you  for your reply L.Spark.
Part of that had been in turn quoted from  GN3  Anyway could you  not just test the continuity of the trunking, SWA, cable etc, etc ?

Here's a challenging one: on a three phase installation with a double pole isolator when you throw main isolator arm and remove neutral link , then when neutral link removed (Re: INSULATION TEST) ,why does a shorting lead need to be connected between phase and earth?

Unfortunately, I cannot afford to go to college , yet.
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Reply #48 - Mar 28th, 2005, 3:55pm
 
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Re: part p
Reply #49 - Mar 28th, 2005, 4:26pm
 
[quote author=L.Spark  link=1108845227/45#48 date=1112021700]
Undecided [/quote]

Hello L.Spark.
I know....
Anyhow, just so I understand , I  get it in future   Sad  can  anyone explain this:

How can you check  CPC continuity which is incorporated  inside steel trunking and conduit , since  this  will create a parallel path  -  
- On a three phase installation with a double pole isolator when you throw main isolator arm and remove neutral link , then when neutral link removed (Re: INSULATION TEST) ,why does a shorting lead need to be connected between phase and earth?

Thank you anyway.
I'm struggling with books right now

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Re: part p
Reply #50 - Mar 28th, 2005, 4:48pm
 
Hi, can I ask what course you're studying on right now curious?

in answer to you're question, we use a shorting lead to make a loop, a loop that consists of r1 and r2, where

r1 is you're phase conductor and
r2 is you're circuit protective conductor (CPC)

so in essence we short phase to earth so we include both phase and earth when testing, we are then including both cable's or paths in our test..

this does however have nothing to do with insulation tests, you would not create any shorts normaly whilst undertaking insulation tests, only in certain circumstances where equipment is liable to be damaged by test voltages

hope that makes sense..
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